CAPTIONING
SEPTEMBER 2, 2008
METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION

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>>JOE AFFRONTI:  GOOD MORNING.
WELCOME TO THIS MORNING'S PUBLIC HEARING ON THE MPO'S 
PRIORITIES FOR THE TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM FOR 
YEAR 2009-10, AND 2013-14.
MY NAME IS JOE AFFRONTI, AND I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE 
METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION.
AS FOR THE FORMAT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, FIRST WE WILL HEAR 
A SHORT PRESENTATION FROM STAFF ON THE PRIORITIES.
THEN WE WILL OPEN UP THE HEARING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
WE WILL FIRST RECOGNIZE PUBLIC OFFICIALS AND THEN TAKE 
PUBLIC COMMENT IN THE ORDER THAT YOU HAVE SIGNED IN.
FOLLOWING PUBLIC COMMENT, WE WILL HAVE A BROAD DISCUSSION -
- BOARD DISCUSSION AND TAKE ACTION ON THE PRIORITIES FOR 
THE T.I.P.
WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE BOARD, PLEASE STEP UP TO THE 
MICROPHONE AND CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
PLEASE LIMIT YOUR COMMENTS TO THREE MINUTES EACH IN ORDER 
THAT EVERYONE ELSE WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
BEFORE WE START THE HEARING, LET ME REMIND YOU THAT THERE 
ARE BLUE FORMS ON THE TABLE BY THE DOOR FOR THOSE WHO WANT 
TO SPEAK.
IF YOU HAVE NOT SIGNED IN, PLEASE FILL OUT A FORM AND GIVE 
IT TO LINDA FERRARO, THE MPO SECRETARY RIGHT UP HERE.
IF YOU WISH TO EXPRESS YOUR COMMENTS IN WRITING, THERE ARE 
BEIGE FORMS ON THE TABLE.
NOW I WILL CALL ON STAFF TO GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE 
TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.
MR. BLAIN.
>>WALLY BLAIN:  GOOD MORNING.
WALLY BLAIN, MPO STAFF.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE [INAUDIBLE] PRIORITIES THIS 
MORNING.
THESE WILL BE THE PRIORITIES FOR FUNDING IN THE NEW FIFTH 
YEAR, WHICH WILL BE 2013-2014, AS WE MOVE INTO DEVELOPING 
THE NEXT T.I.P. DOCUMENT.
WE DID RECEIVE APPLICATIONS FOR 15 PROJECTS THROUGH THE 
SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM.
THIS IS THE MONEY FROM THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION BILL 
THAT'S DIRECTLY ALLOCATED TO THE URBAN AREA AND THE MPO SET 
THE PRIORITIES FOR.
THESE APPLICATIONS WERE RECEIVED AT A DEADLINE OF APRIL 
11th OF THIS YEAR.
WE STARTED WITH A KICKOFF BACK IN FEBRUARY.
EIGHT OF THOSE APPLICATIONS THAT CAME IN WERE FOR HIGHWAY 
WIDENING, THREE WERE FOR TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT, 
ONE WAS FOR BUS REPLACEMENTS THROUGH HART.
WE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF 
PLANT CITY IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
THE CITY OF TAMPA SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR INTELLIGENT 
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, THEIR TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROLLING. 
THEN WE HAD AN APPLICATION FROM THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE FOR 
PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE WESTSHORE AREA.
BRIEFLY TO GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS THAT WE 
RECEIVED IN THE APPLICATION PROCESS, THE FIRST THAT WE 
RECEIVED WAS FROM HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY FOR BRUCE B. DOWNS 
WIDENING.
THIS WOULD BE FROM BEARSS AVENUE NORTH TO PALM SPRINGS 
BOULEVARD.
IT WOULD BE TO WIDEN THE ROAD FROM FOUR LANES TO EIGHT 
LANES.
THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR $12 MILLION FOR RIGHT-OF-
WAY, AND IT'S ROUGHLY A 3.5-MILE SEGMENT.
WE ALSO RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FROM CITY OF TAMPA FOR THE 
40th STREET WIDENING FROM HILLSBOROUGH TO HANNA AVENUE.
THIS WOULD WIDEN THE ROAD FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR.
IT'S ABOUT A HALF A MILE IN LENGTH, AND THE CITY IS 
REQUESTING JUST UNDER $8 MILLION.
CITY OF TAMPA ALSO SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR CROSS CREEK 
BOULEVARD.
THIS WOULD BE THE WIDENING FROM CORY LAKE BOULEVARD OVER TO 
MORRIS BRIDGE ROAD.
IT WOULD WIDEN IT FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES, 2.25 MILES 
IN LENGTH.
THE CITY IS REQUESTING $8 MILLION FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF 
THIS.
THIS IS THE FARTHEST EAST SECTION OF CROSS CREEK BOULEVARD.
PLANT CITY SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR SAM ALLEN ROAD.
THIS IS TO WIDEN THE EXISTING ROAD BETWEEN STATE ROAD 39 
AND PARK ROAD.
THIS IS NORTH OF INTERSTATE 4 AND AN EAST-WEST ROAD THERE.
IT'S TO WIDEN FROM TWO LANES TO FOUR LANES, ABOUT A MILE 
AND A HALF IN LENGTH, AND THE CITY HAS REQUESTED THE 
REMAINDER OF WHAT'S NEEDED FOR RIGHT-OF-WAY AT THIS TIME, 
WHICH IS 1.12 MILLION.
JUST EAST OF THAT PROJECT IS THE EXTENSION OF SAM ALLEN 
ROAD FROM WILDER ROAD OVER TO CHARLIE TAYLOR ROAD.
THIS WOULD BE A NEW ROADWAY ALIGNMENT.
IT'S ABOUT A MILE AND A HALF IN LENGTH, AND THE CITY HAS 
REQUESTED $250,000 FOR PROJECT DEVELOPMENT AND 
ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY.
SOUTH OF PLANT CITY IS THE MEDULLA ROAD EXTENSION.
THIS WOULD GO FROM CLEMONS ROAD TO CORONET ROAD.
THE CITY IS REQUESTING $250,000 FOR DESIGN AND 
ENVIRONMENTAL WORK.
IT'S ABOUT A THIRD OF A MILE IN LENGTH, AND IT WOULD BE A 
NEW TWO-LANE ROAD.
ANOTHER EXTENSION THAT PLANT CITY HAS REQUESTED MONEY FOR 
IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF PLANT CITY OVER TO COUNTY LINE ROAD 
ON TRAPNELL ROAD.
THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER TWO-LANE EXTENSION, ABOUT A QUARTER 
OF MILE IN LENGTH, AND THE CITY HAS REQUESTED $4.5 MILLION 
FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND DESIGN.
ANOTHER EXTENSION IN PLANT CITY WOULD BE OFF OF RICE ROAD 
BETWEEN CORONET AND COUNTY LINE ROAD.
IT WOULD BE A NEW TWO-LANE ROAD, ABOUT 2.25 MILES IN 
LENGTH, AND THE CITY HAS REQUESTED $250,000 FOR DESIGN AND 
ENVIRONMENTAL.
THE THREE APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED FOR THE 
TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT CAME FROM THE BAY AREA 
COMMUTER SERVICES, THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, AND THE 
NEW NORTH TRANSPORTATION ALLIANCE.
BAY AREA COMMUTER SERVICES SERVES THE TRANSPORTATION AND 
MANAGEMENT NEEDS OF THE GREATER TAMPA BAY REGION IN A FOUR- 
OR FIVE-COUNTY REGION, SO THEY'VE REQUESTED $460,000 FOR 
THEIR REGIONAL WORK.
IN PART OF THEIR WORK, THEN, THEY SUPPORT THE EFFORTS OF 
THE LOCAL TRANSPORTATION MANAGEMENT ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH 
INCLUDE THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, WHOSE FOCUS IS ON 
DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND THE IN-TOWN AREA, AND THEN THE NEW NORTH 
TRANSPORTATION ALLIANCE THAT'S IN THE USF AND NORTH TAMPA 
AREA.
WE ALSO RECEIVED AN APPLICATION REQUESTING FUNDS FROM 
HARTLINE FOR 20 ADDITIONAL BUSES, AND THE REQUESTED AMOUNT 
WAS FOR $10 MILLION.
PLANT CITY REQUESTED $1.4 MILLION FOR REDEVELOPMENT THAT 
THEY'RE DOING IN THEIR DOWNTOWN AREA.
THIS WOULD TIE SOME TRANSPORTATION IMPROVEMENTS WITH SOME 
LAND USE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE MAKING IN THAT AREA.
CITY OF TAMPA SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR UPGRADING THEIR 
CURRENT TRAFFIC SIGNAL CONTROLLERS.
THAT WOULD BE A REQUEST OF $3.5 MILLION.
THE FINAL APPLICATION, THEN, IS FOR THE WESTSHORE AREA.
THE MPO COMPLETED BACK IN 2004 A PEDESTRIAN SYSTEM 
IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE WESTSHORE AREA.
THIS REQUEST CAME IN FROM THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE TO 
IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME OUT OF THAT 
STUDY, INCLUDING IMPRINTED CROSSWALKS AND PEDESTRIAN COUNT-
DOWN SIGNALS.
THE REQUESTED AMOUNT IS FOR $302,000.
WE TOOK THOSE APPLICATIONS AND WE EVALUATED THEM AT A STAFF 
LEVEL THIS YEAR, REVIEWED THEM AGAINST WHAT WAS THE MPO 
CRITERIA.
OF THOSE 15 APPLICATIONS THAT CAME IN, 13 WERE THE SAME 
APPLICATIONS OR VERY SIMILAR TO THE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE 
SUBMITTED LAST YEAR.
WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, WE MADE THE DECISION NOT TO 
REEVALUATE THOSE.
USING THE SAME APPLICATIONS AND SAME CRITERIA, WE JUST TOOK 
THE APPLICATIONS AND THE EVALUATIONS -- OR THE EVALUATIONS, 
EXCUSE ME, FROM LAST YEAR AND MOVED THOSE FORWARD.
THE TWO PROJECTS THAT WERE REEVALUATED THIS YEAR WAS THE 
CROSS CREEK WIDENING AND THE RICE ROAD EXTENSION.
THOSE WERE THE TWO OF THE 15 APPLICATIONS THAT WERE NEW 
THIS YEAR.
SO WE TOOK THOSE AND THEN, BASED ON THE TECHNICAL RANKING, 
PRESENTED A TECHNICAL PRIORITY RANKING TO THE COMMITTEES, 
ALSO TO YOU LAST MONTH, AND ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD THIS 
MONTH WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR A FUNDING AMOUNT.
BECAUSE OF THE ANTICIPATED REVENUES THAT WE EXPECT AND THE 
AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS THAT WE RECEIVED, NOT ALL THE 
APPLICATIONS ARE RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING.
WHAT THAT MEANS, THEN, IS WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION OF 
ABOUT $23 MILLION FOR FUNDING FOR THE NEW FIFTH YEAR OF 
2013-2014.
AS HAS BEEN OUR TRADITION AND OUR HISTORY, WE ARE TAKING 
SOME MONEY AND SETTING THAT ASIDE FOR MPO PLANNING STUDIES. 
THAT IS TO CONTINUE THE WORK WE DO IN ASSISTING THE LOCAL 
AGENCIES IN COMPLETING STUDIES THAT NEED TO BE DONE.
SO WE ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION THIS YEAR TO FULLY FUND 
THE 40th STREET APPLICATION OF $8 MILLION.
WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO FUND HALF OF THE 
APPLICATION REQUESTS FOR THE TAMPA DOWNTOWN PARTNERSHIP, 
WHICH WOULD BE 195,000.
WE'RE RECOMMENDING HALF FUNDING FOR THE BUS REPLACEMENTS, 
WHICH WOULD BE $5 MILLION.
THE REQUEST FOR THE TRAFFIC SYSTEM MANAGEMENT UPDATE FOR 
THE CITY OF TAMPA, WE'RE RECOMMENDING HALF FUNDING OF THAT 
OF 1.75 MILLION.
FOR THE BAY AREA COMMUTER SERVICES AND THEIR TRANSPORTATION 
DEMAND MANAGEMENT APPLICATION, WE'RE RECOMMENDING HALF 
FUNDING OF THAT OF 230,000.
THE WESTSHORE ALLIANCE PEDESTRIAN IMPROVEMENT CORRIDORS, 
WE'RE RECOMMENDING FULL FUNDING OF THAT APPLICATION REQUEST 
OF 302,000.
THE WIDENING OF SAM ALLEN ROAD FOR THE CONSTRUCTION -- OR 
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN 39 AND PARK, WE'RE RECOMMENDING 
$1.12 MILLION FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
FOR THE BRUCE B. DOWNS RIGHT-OF-WAY BETWEEN BEARSS AND PALM 
SPRINGS BOULEVARD WE'RE RECOMMENDING $6 MILLION.
AND THEN FOR THE NEW NORTH TRANSPORTATION ALLIANCE AND THE 
TRANSPORTATION DEMAND MANAGEMENT WORK, WE'RE RECOMMENDING 
HALF FUNDING AT 195,000.
WE ALSO HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING PRIORITIES 
FOR THE TRANSPORTATION ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM.
THIS IS A PROGRAM THAT IS DESIGNED FOR ENHANCEMENT TYPE 
ACTIVITIES ALONG THE ROADWAY, NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR ROADWAY 
WIDENING.
WE DO HAVE A CURRENT CANDIDATE LIST OF PROJECTS THAT HAVE 
BEEN PREVIOUSLY SUBMITTED AND PRIORITIZED BY THE MPO.
THAT LIST STANDS AT ABOUT $8 MILLION OF REQUESTS.
SO WHAT WE ARE DOING IS MOVING THAT CANDIDATE LIST FORWARD 
AND LEAVING THOSE PROJECTS THE WAY THEY ARE.
SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ELIGIBLE AND ALSO 
FEASIBLE FOR USE OF THE ENHANCEMENT MONEY THAT WILL GO INTO 
THE CYCLE THIS YEAR IS THE UPPER TAMPA BAY TRAIL DESIGN.
THIS WOULD CONNECT UP TO THE SUNCOAST TRAIL HEADWAY.
THERE IS A SIDEWALK PROJECT ON DALE MABRY UP IN THE 
LAKEVIEW/CHEVAL AREA THAT IS IN CONSIDERATION.
THERE IS AN ENHANCEMENT PROJECT FOR BUSCH BOULEVARD THAT 
WOULD TIE IN WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE RESURFACING, 
ADDING SOME SIDEWALKS ALONG THAT.
AND THEN THERE'S AN APPLICATION THAT'S COME IN FROM THE 
CITY OF TEMPLE TERRACE FOR SOME IMPROVEMENTS AT THE 56th 
STREET AND BUSCH BOULEVARD INTERSECTION.
THESE FOUR PROJECTS ARE AT THIS TIME ELIGIBLE AND FEASIBLE 
FOR USING THE ENHANCEMENT FUNDS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS MORE ON THIS LIST STILL THAN ONE 
YEAR WILL FUND, SO IT WILL GO INTO A PROCESS OF DETERMINING 
WHICH PROJECTS CAN BE FUNDED, AND THAT WILL COME BACK TO 
YOU AS WELL AS THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM LIST IN 
THE D.O.T.'S WORK PROGRAM IN DECEMBER.
WE ALSO COORDINATE WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION ON 
FUNDING OF OTHER STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDS.
THERE IS A LETTER IN YOUR PACKET THAT STATES WHAT THE 
GENERAL PRIORITIES ARE FOR THE SPENDING OF THOSE 
CATEGORIES, AND THOSE ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT LONG-
RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE COMMITTEE PROCESS AND ALSO A 
REVIEW AND ACTION YOU CAN SEE ON THE AGENDA WRITE-UP, THE 
ACTION THAT WAS TAKEN BY THE COMMITTEES THAT REVIEWED THIS 
OVER THE PAST MONTH.
WE'RE HOLDING THE PUBLIC HEARING TODAY TO GET THE BOARD'S 
APPROVAL ON THIS BEFORE TRANSMITTING THE PRIORITIES TO 
D.O.T. FOR PROGRAMMING.
SO WHAT STAFF IS REQUESTING IS THAT THE MPO APPROVE THE 
PRIORITY LIST AND ALLOW STAFF TO FORWARD THESE TO D.O.T. 
FOR PROGRAMMING.
WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
MS. SAUL-SENA.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  GOOD MORNING.
IN THIS MORNING'S PAPER THERE WAS THIS TOTALLY ENCOURAGING 
ARTICLE ABOUT BIDS COMING IN A LITTLE UNDER WHAT HAD BEEN 
PROJECTED, AND I WONDERED IF BECAUSE IT TAKES SO LONG FOR 
PROJECTS TO MAKE THEIR WAY THROUGH THE -- THROUGH THE, YOU 
KNOW, SYSTEM, IF A PROJECT COMES IN AND WE SAVE SOME MONEY 
ON IT, IS THERE THE AUTOMATIC ASSUMPTION THAT WE'LL MOVE TO 
THE NEXT DOWN ON THE LIST?
OR HOW DO WE DEAL WITH UNDERBIDS, WHICH IS SORT OF A NOVEL 
PROBLEM?
>>WALLY BLAIN:  FROM THE PRIORITY STANDPOINT, WE DO SUBMIT 
MORE IN A PRIORITY AMOUNT THAN WE REALLY ANTICIPATE 
RECEIVING.
WE ANTICIPATE RECEIVING SOMEWHERE AROUND $20 MILLION EACH 
YEAR FROM THE SURFACE TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, AND THE LIST 
CURRENTLY HAS 23 MILLION ON IT, SO THERE IS SOME ADDITIONAL 
PRIORITIES.
WE ALSO HAVE PRIORITIES OR PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT 
RECOMMENDED FOR FUNDING THAT WE DO SHOW IN A PRIORITY 
ORDER, SO THERE IS A PRIORITY BEYOND THAT.
ON THE PROGRAMMING SIDE, THOUGH, I WOULD LEAVE IT UP TO 
EITHER D.O.T. OR THE OTHER IMPLEMENTING AGENCIES TO DISCUSS 
THAT ISSUE.
>>DON SKELTON:  ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF LOW BIDS, ANYTIME 
WE HAVE AN AMOUNT PROGRAMMED IN OUR FIVE-YEAR WORK PROGRAM, 
IF THE BID COMES IN UNDER THAT, THE EXCESS WOULD THEN BE 
RETURNED TO THE GENERAL CONTINGENCY BOX, WHICH IS USED TO 
COVER ANY SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENTS THAT ARE NEEDED DURING 
CONSTRUCTION, ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES.
WE WOULD THEN MAKE THAT AVAILABLE AS WE'RE PROGRAMMING THE 
FOLLOWING YEAR FOR OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE PRODUCTION 
READY.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  OKAY.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
YES.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.
I APOLOGIZE FOR ARRIVING A LITTLE BIT LATE THIS MORNING.
JUST ONE QUESTION.
I HAVE A GOOD IDEA WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD AND MAINTAIN 
SHIPS AND TOWING LOCOMOTIVES AND CRANES AND ALL OF THESE 
KINDS OF THINGS.
I'M A LITTLE BIT SHOCKED AT THE PRICE OF BUSES.
COULD SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME IF THERE'S SOMEONE HERE FROM 
HART WHAT $20 MILLION -- $10 MILLION -- I'M SORRY, I KNOW 
YOU'VE REDUCED IT -- BUT $10 MILLION FOR 20 BUSES, $500,000 
A BUS, IS THAT -- WHAT DO THEY COST TO BUY A BUS, OR MAYBE 
THE QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THE $10 MILLION THAT WAS 
ORIGINALLY REQUESTED INCLUDE?
DOES IT INCLUDE THE BUS PLUS MAINTENANCE, ANY OPERATING 
COSTS?
WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  MR. ARMIJO.
OKAY.
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  GOOD MORNING.
I'M MARY SHAVALIER FROM HART, AND WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THIS 
COST IS THE BUS AS WELL AS THE FAREBOX, AND WE HAVE 
TECHNOLOGY ON THE BUSES THAT WE INCLUDE THAT TRACKS THE -- 
THE AVL THAT TRACKS WHERE THE BUS IS LOCATED, AND THERE'S 
AUTOMATIC PASSENGER COUNTERS, SO THERE IS TECHNOLOGY AS 
WELL.
THE COST OF THE BUS IS INFLUENCED BY THE BIDDING PROCESS, 
AND GIVEN THAT THIS IS FIVE YEARS IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW -
- RIGHT NOW SOME OF THE BUS COSTS ARE COMING IN AROUND 
400 -- YOU KNOW, 400,000, AND EVERY YEAR AS THE BUSES ARE 
GETTING CLEANER AS WELL, THERE'S ADDITIONAL TECHNOLOGY ON 
THE BUSES.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  THANK YOU.
IF THIS WAS THE PRICE IS RIGHT, I WOULDN'T HAVE COME CLOSE.
I THOUGHT THEY WOULD HAVE COST LESS THAN THAT, BUT THANK 
YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT THE -- THERE WAS NO POLICY COMMITTEE 
MEETING THIS PAST MONTH BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL HURRICANE, 
BUT THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED ON AUGUST 3rd TO 
APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION AND BRING FORWARD TO THE MPO FOR 
APPROVAL.
AND THE TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE VOTED ON AUGUST THE 
18th TO FORWARD THE PRIORITIES TO THE MPO FOR APPROVAL.
SO IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CARES TO ADDRESS 
THE -- THIS ITEM?
IT IS A PUBLIC HEARING?
IF THERE'S ANYONE THAT CARES TO ADDRESS THIS, YOU'RE 
CERTAINLY WELCOME.
I HAVE NOBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK.
>> I MOVE STAFF RECOMMENDATION.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  SECOND.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND.
ANY -- ANY DISCUSSION?
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
IF NOT, WE NEED A ROLL CALL VOTE.
>> AFFRONTI.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
>> CAETANO.
>>JOSEPH CAETANO:  YES.
>> DINGFELDER.
>>JOHN DINGFELDER:  YES.
>> FERLITA.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  YES.
>> LOTT.
>>RICK LOTT:  YES.
>> MILLER.
>>LOUIS MILLER:  YES.
>> SAUL-SENA.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  YES.
>> SHARPE.
>>MARK SHARPE:  YES.
>> WAINIO.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  YES.
>>RECORDING SECRETARY:  MOTION CARRIED 9-0.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WITH THAT, WE CLOSE OUR PUBLIC HEARING ON THE T.I.P. 
AMENDMENT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH, WALLY.
>>WALLY BLAIN:  THANK YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  AND I WOULD LIKE TO CALL OUR REGULAR 
MEETING OF THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY METROPOLITAN PLANNING 
ORGANIZATION TO ORDER FOR SEPTEMBER 2nd, 2008.
WOULD YOU PLEASE STAND FOR PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND A BRIEF 
INVOCATION.
[PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
HEAVENLY FATHER, WE CONTINUE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL THE 
WONDERFUL BLESSINGS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US.
WE PRAY THAT YOU WILL COMFORT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED 
BY HURRICANE GUSTAV, AND PLEASE PROTECT OUR YOUNG MEN AND 
WOMEN THROUGHOUT THE WORLD WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR OUR 
FREEDOMS.
IN YOUR NAME, WE PRAY.
AMEN.
MR. WAGGONER AND MS. -- MRS. MULHERN -- COUNCILWOMAN 
MULHERN WILL NOT ATTEND TODAY'S MPO MEETING FOR THE RECORD.
OKAY.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  THIS IS AN OFF-AGENDA ITEM, BUT AS WE'RE 
THANKING FOR WONDERFUL FAVORS AND BLESSINGS FOR THIS 
COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS COMMUNITY, IN PARTICULAR TEMPLE 
TERRACE, IS BLESSED BY HAVING YOU REELECTED AS THEIR MAYOR, 
SO CONGRATULATIONS.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
>>JOSEPH CAETANO:  NO ONE ELSE SHOWED UP.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THAT'S RIGHT.
NOBODY WANTED THE JOB.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE THAT.
OKAY.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM OUR 
PREVIOUS MEETING?
>> SO MOVE.
>> SECOND.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  MOVED AND SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
[CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WHO CARES TO ADDRESS OUR MPO 
BOARD ON ANY ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA?
IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ED AUSTIN, WOULD YOU -- FOR THE CITIZENS ADVISORY 
COMMITTEE.
>> GOOD MORNING.
MY NAME IS ED AUSTIN, CAC VICE CHAIR.
THE CAC MET ON AUGUST 13th, 2008.
WE HAD A FULL QUORUM, AND WE HAD SOME PUBLIC INPUT.
MS. SHEILA MARTIN OF THE BACS REMINDED MEMBERS THAT OCTOBER 
6th THROUGH 10th WILL BE COMMUTER CHOICES WEEK.
SHE'LL BE BACK NEXT MONTH WITH MORE INFORMATION.
WE HAD SOME ACTION ITEMS.
THE CAC VOTED TO RECOMMEND THAT THE MPO ADOPT THE LIST OF 
STP PRIORITY PROJECTS AND TO TRANSMIT A LETTER TO FDOT; 
HOWEVER, ONE MEMBER, MR. MATHURIN, DID EXPRESS CONCERN THAT 
THE MONEY FOR REPLACEMENT BUSES WAS ONLY HALF OF WHAT WAS 
NEEDED.
WE DISCUSSED HART'S TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN.
MARY SHAVALIER GAVE A PLAN UPDATE FOR 2009 THROUGH 2018, 
WHICH WAS A REQUIREMENT OF THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF 
TRANSPORTATION.
MS. SHAVALIER STATED THAT THE THREE KEY ELEMENTS OF THIS 
YEAR UPDATE INCLUDED THE NEEDS PLAN, STATUS QUO PLAN, AND 
RECOMMENDED ACTION PLAN.
THEY WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE MPO BOARD LATER ON IN THE 
AGENDA.
COMMENTS FROM CAC MEMBERS INCLUDED THE NEED TO STEP UP AND 
INCREASE FUNDING FOR TRANSIT, THE ADDITION OF HIGH 
OCCUPANCY VEHICLE LANES TO THE UPDATE, AND ALSO HAVING A 
TRANSFER CENTER AT THE AIRPORT.
FOLLOWING THE DISCUSSION, THE CAC CONCURRED THAT THE HART 
TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE MPO'S 
LRTP, RECOMMENDED THAT IT BE FORWARDED TO THE MPO FOR 
CONSIDERATION.
THE STATUS REPORTS, TAMPA AUTHORITY MASTER PLAN UPDATE, THE 
PRESENTATION WHICH THE MPO WILL HEAR NEXT MONTH WAS VERY 
INFORMATIVE FOR US.
STAFF FROM THE PORT AUTHORITY ALSO ENCOURAGED THE MEMBERS 
TO TAKE A TOUR OF THE PORT, WHICH RUNS EACH DAY.
THE CAC MEMBERS ASKED STAFF TO ARRANGE THE TOUR.
WE HAD A HART SAFETY AND SECURITY UPDATE.
HART STAFF SHOWED REAL-TIME CAMERA OPERATION FROM ONE OF 
HART'S BUSES.
THESE CAMERAS ARE POSITIONED SO THAT THE PASSENGERS CAN SEE 
EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING ON THE BUSES AND ALSO HART CAN 
SEE THIS.
MANY LABOR ISSUES AND ROBBERIES AND ACCIDENTS HAVE BEEN 
OVERCOME AND RESOLVED BECAUSE OF THIS.
THE CAC JUST SUGGESTED THAT HART ADVERTISE THAT THERE ARE 
CAMERAS ON THE BUSES, WHICH WOULD GIVE THE PATRONS A STRONG 
SENSE OF SECURITY.
MR. MATHURIN OF THE CAC SHARED HIS FINDINGS FROM HIS RECENT 
TRIPS TO DENVER AND OTTAWA.
THESE CITIES WERE NOTED FOR THEIR SUPERIOR TRANSIT 
SERVICES.
IN OTHER BUSINESS, MS. AYER INFORMED THE MEMBERS THAT THE 
NEXT JOINT CAC MEETING UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE MPO CHAIRS 
COORDINATING COMMITTEE WILL BE HELD ON SEPTEMBER 9th AT 
3:00 P.M. AT FDOT.
THAT'S OUR REPORT.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS?
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  ANY QUESTIONS -- ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. 
AUSTIN?
IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  NEXT WE HAVE --THE POLICY COMMITTEE 
MEETING, OF COURSE, WAS CANCELED DUE TO THE HURRICANE.
WE HAVE SOME ACTION ITEMS.
HART, MARY SHAVALIER.
MARY.
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  GOOD MORNING.
I'M MARY SHAVALIER WITH HART, AND I'M HERE TALKING TO YOU 
TODAY ABOUT OUR ANNUAL TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE, I 
HOPE.
SORRY.
THANK YOU.
AND MR. AUSTIN GAVE A VERY GOOD UPDATE JUST A MINUTE AGO.
HART IS REQUIRED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF 
TRANSPORTATION TO EVERY YEAR LOOK AT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE FOR 
OUR MONEY COMING IN, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE 
HAVE FOR TRANSIT, TO PRIORITIZE BOTH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO 
FOR OUR SERVICE AND OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN WE DO AN 
ANNUAL SORT OF PLAN FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING OVER THE NEXT 
YEAR.
THIS YEAR'S UPDATE IS JUST A MINOR UPDATE, SO WE'RE TALKING 
ABOUT SOME OF THE NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT ARE THE 
PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR HART AND THEN WHAT ARE SOME OF OUR 
ACTIONS.
WE'VE HAD A GREAT YEAR.
RIDERSHIP IS REALLY CONTINUING TO GO UP.
SYSTEMWIDE WE'RE ABOUT 8% RIDERSHIP INCREASE FROM THIS TIME 
LAST YEAR.
OUR EXPRESS SERVICE ESPECIALLY IS BULGING AT THE SEAMS.
LOTS OF GREAT RIDERSHIP, ESPECIALLY TO MacDILL, AND OUR 
PARATRANSIT SERVICE -- THAT'S THE SERVICE FOR THE DISABLED,
IT TAKES PEOPLE FROM BASICALLY THEIR HOMES TO, YOU KNOW, 
SOME OF THEIR IMPORTANT DESTINATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY -- 
THAT IS AGAIN CONTINUING STRONG GROWTH AT ABOUT 26%.
SO WE'VE HAD A GREAT YEAR IN TERMS OF RIDERSHIP.
SERVICE, WE'VE BEEN RESTRUCTURING OUR SERVICE.
WE'RE CONTINUING TO DO THAT, TRYING TO TAKE SOME OF OUR 
LOWEST-PRODUCTIVE SERVICE, DO SOME TRIMMING THERE, AND 
REINVEST IT IN SOME OF THE HIGHER RIDERSHIP SERVICE.
WE'VE ADDED SOME LATE-NIGHT AND WEEKEND SERVICE, AND WITH 
THE CITY OF TAMPA'S ASSISTANCE, WE'VE BEEN REORGANIZING 
SOME OF THE TROLLEYS IN THE DOWNTOWN.
TWO NEW TRANSFER CENTERS WERE BUILT, ONE IN WEST TAMPA AND 
ONE AT NORTHWEST -- IN THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE COUNTY AT 
SHELDON AND WATERS.
THAT WAS DONE WITH HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S ASSISTANCE.
THOSE ARE HELPING OUR BUS ROUTES CONNECT AND GIVE 
PASSENGERS A BETTER PLACE TO WAIT.
WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PROJECT, OUR I.T.S. THAT'S ALSO ON 
OUR BUSES, AND THAT IS THE TRACKING OF THE BUS, WHERE IT 
IS, PASSENGERS ON IT, AND THE SECURITY CAMERAS THAT YOU 
JUST HEARD ABOUT.
THAT IS REALLY HELPING US GET BETTER INFORMATION OUT TO 
PASSENGERS.
THEY'LL KNOW WHEN THE NEXT BUS IS, AND THERE'S A LOT OF 
APPLICATIONS THAT WE CAN USE WITH THIS SORT OF FRAMEWORK.
WE'VE COME TO THE MPO THIS -- EARLIER THIS YEAR ABOUT THE 
STREETCAR EXTENSION.
WE WORKED WITH THE STREETCAR BOARD AND THE CITY OF TAMPA 
AND GOT THAT 20-YEAR FUNDING PLAN FOR THE STREETCAR, 
ENSURING THAT THERE'S 20 YEARS OF OPERATING FUNDING.
THAT WAS CRITICAL, AND WE ALSO COMPLETED THE CAPITAL 
FUNDING FOR THE EXTENSION TO THE WHITING STREET.
IT'LL TAKE IT FROM THE MARRIOTT WHERE IT TERMINATES NOW 
OVER TO THE WHITING STREET BY THE "Y," THAT THIRD OF A MILE 
EXTENSION, AND THAT WILL BE UNDERWAY SOON.
AND THEN BUS RAPID TRANSIT, THAT IS SERVICE -- BUSES 
OPERATING ON THE STREET WITH ENHANCED FACILITIES, SIGNAL 
PRIORITY.
IT'LL HELP OUR BUSES GO FASTER.
SHELTERS WITH SOME OF THIS REAL-TIME PASSENGER INFORMATION 
AND LEVEL BOARDING.
THE TWO CORRIDORS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON IS THE NORTH-SOUTH, 
NEBRASKA -- IT GOES FROM THE DOWNTOWN UP NEBRASKA ALONG 
FLETCHER, WHERE THERE WILL BE A PARK-N-RIDE LOT IN THE 
VICINITY OF I-75 AND FLETCHER, AND OUR EAST-WEST, WHICH IS 
GOING FROM TEMPLE TERRACE ALONG HILLSBOROUGH AND MLK OVER 
TO THE WESTSHORE BUSINESS DISTRICT AND THE TAMPA 
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT.
THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN US SOME GREAT FUNDING.
THE NORTH-SOUTH IS UNDERWAY NOW.
WE STARTED ENGINEERING AND DESIGN LAST WEEK.
AND THE EAST-WEST, WE ARE PUTTING IN A PACKAGE THIS YEAR -- 
OR THIS WEEK TRYING TO GET $17 MILLION OF FEDERAL MONEY.
WE'LL BE WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE AIRPORT AND THE AVIATION 
AUTHORITY TRYING TO GET A BUS TRANSIT CENTER IN THAT -- 
AROUND THAT AIRPORT AREA.
SO THOSE ARE TWO CRITICAL PROJECTS THAT WILL HELP OUR 
SYSTEM.
SHELTER ADVERTISING, YOU'LL SEE, THEN, SOME OF THE 
SHELTERS.
WE'VE CONTRACTED WITH AN ADVERTISING COMPANY.
THEY'LL BE SELLING THE ADS.
THEY'LL BE PUTTING UP SHELTERS AND MAINTAINING IT.
ABOUT 200 SHELTERS WILL BE GOING IN THE SYSTEM THAT WAY.
THAT IS A GREAT PLUS FOR US.
IT GETS THE SHELTERS OUT THERE, AND THEY HAVE TO MAINTAIN 
IT.
AND BUS STOP ACCESSIBILITY, IMPROVING ACCESSIBILITY AT OUR 
BUS STOPS, AND THEN CONTINUING CLOSE COORDINATION WITH 
PSTA, WITH FDOT, AND, AS I SAID, THE AIRPORT.
UNMET NEEDS.
LIKE EVERYBODY, WE HAVE SOME OF OUR CHALLENGE IN UNMET 
NEEDS.
OUR SERVICE THAT WE HAVE OUT ON THE STREET IS NOT ENOUGH 
SERVICE, LONG WAIT TIMES, IT -- YOU KNOW, PEOPLE NEED 
LONGER HOURS.
MANY PARTS OF THIS THOUSAND-SQUARE-MILE COUNTY ARE NOT 
SERVED, AND AS THE MPO KNOWS VERY WELL, DOING ALL THE 
COMMUNITY OUTREACH, THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR MORE 
TRANSIT OUT THERE, INCLUDING LIGHT RAIL AND BUS RAPID 
TRANSIT.
FINANCE -- WHAT DOES OUR FINANCES LOOK LIKE?
THE AD VALOREM IS OUR MAIN FUNDING SOURCE, ABOUT 60% OF OUR 
OPERATING COSTS.
YOU-ALL KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE AD VALOREM.
THAT IS ONE OF OUR CHALLENGES IS ONLY HAVING THAT AD 
VALOREM AS OUR LOCAL FUNDING.
FUNDING OPPORTUNITIES, WE HAD SOME GREAT FUNDING 
OPPORTUNITIES THIS YEAR.
THE COUNTY GIVING US THE $40 MILLION FOR THE BUS RAPID 
TRANSIT, AND PARK-N-RIDE LOTS, INCLUDING ONE IN BRANDON 
WILL BE DEVELOPING, AND AS I SAID, WE'RE PUTTING IN AN 
APPLICATION TRYING TO GET $17 MILLION FROM THE FEDERAL 
GOVERNMENT TO COMPLETE THAT EAST-WEST.
WE, LIKE A NUMBER OF PLACES, HAVE BEEN REALLY HITTING -- 
GETTING HIT BY THAT FUEL COST.
IT'S REALLY INCREASED OUR COSTS.
THE PARATRANSIT, AS WE'RE GETTING MORE DISABLED AND ELDERLY 
PEOPLE, THAT PARATRANSIT SERVICE, YOU KNOW, MORE DEMAND, 
AND THAT COST IS INCREASING.
WE'VE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, ESPECIALLY WITH MR. ARMIJO, IN 
WORKING ON OUR BUDGET, COST SAVINGS, SOME ADMINISTRATION 
RESTRUCTURING.
THAT IS ENABLING US TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.
OVER THE LONG-TERM, THOUGH, KEEPING OUR OPERATING COSTS 
GOING, ESPECIALLY AS WE EXPAND SOME SERVICE, THERE'S SOME 
LONGER-TERM SUSTAINABILITY ISSUES, AND WE ADDITIONALLY HAVE 
SOME CAPITAL PROGRAM LIMITATIONS.
BUS REPLACEMENT THAT WE -- THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT, WE'RE VERY 
THANKFUL TO GET THAT $5 MILLION AND HOPE IT GETS 
REAUTHORIZED, AND WE DESPERATELY NEED A NEW OPERATIONS AND 
MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
OUR OLD -- OUR EXISTING FACILITY AT 21st AVENUE IS VERY 
OLD.
IT REALLY NEEDS SOME UPGRADING, AND THAT'LL BE ONE OF OUR 
PET PROJECTS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GO AFTER.
WE'VE BEEN AGAIN TRYING TO LOOK AT THE COUNTY, HOW DO WE DO 
A BETTER JOB AT SERVICE, AGAIN, LOOKING AT THOSE RAPID 
SERVICES IN THE MAIN TRAVEL CORRIDORS, TRYING TO GIVE 
PEOPLE SOME BETTER TRANSIT, MORE FREQUENT SERVICE, FASTER, 
SOMETHING THAT WILL ATTRACT PEOPLE THAT HAVE A CAR, YOU 
KNOW, TO HELP REDUCE THE CONGESTION.
IN OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY, WE'RE LOOKING AT MORE EXPRESS 
SERVICE, PARK-N-RIDE LOTS, AND SOME OF THE FLEX SERVICES 
THAT WE WANT TO GET GOING IN SOME OF THE AREAS, SUCH AS 
SOUTH COUNTY, BRANDON AREA, TOWN 'N COUNTRY.
AGAIN, OUR MAIN CHALLENGE IS FUNDING OVER THE LONG-TERM.
AND THERE'S JUST A SNAPSHOT LOOKING AT OTHER FLORIDA 
PROPERTIES.
WE'RE AT THE LOW END FOR LOCAL FUNDING.
THIS IS 2006 STATISTICS.
WE'RE AT THE LOW END, AND MIAMI-DADE BRINGING IN SALES 
TAXES AT THE HIGH END, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE HAVING SOME 
CHALLENGES TODAY.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH OUR MONEY?
RIGHT NOW, AS I SAID, WE'RE MOVING AHEAD WITH THE BRT.
THAT'LL BE GETTING GOING IN 2011 ON THE NORTH-SOUTH, AND 
HOPEFULLY THE EAST-WEST WILL FOLLOW.
IN MARCH WE'RE GOING TO BE EXPANDING SOME SERVICE FROM THE 
AIRPORT, WESTSHORE, TO THE DOWNTOWN, TAKING THAT SERVICE UP 
TO EVERY 15 MINUTES, AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT -- BOTH 
DOWNTOWN TAMPA AND WESTSHORE ARE IMPORTANT AREAS THAT WE'RE 
TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, INCREASE OUR SERVICE, AND WITH THIS 
SPINE ALONG KENNEDY, WE'RE HOPING TO ATTRACT SOME GREAT 
RIDERSHIP.
AND THEN LOOKING AT RESTRUCTURING OF SOUTH COUNTY AND SOUTH 
TAMPA.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE THIS COMING YEAR?
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, KEY IS TRYING TO GET ADDITIONAL 
FUNDING FOR OUR SERVICE.
THE HART BOARD IS WORKING STRONGLY ON THAT ISSUE.
ACCOMMODATING INCREASED DEMANDS.
WE HAVE SOME STANDING ROOM ONLY ON EXPRESS BUSES, AND WE'RE 
TRYING TO GET -- WE'RE STRAINED.
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH BUSES.
WE'RE BRINGING IN SOME OLDER BUSES FROM DALLAS.
WE GET THE FEDERAL MONEY FREE, WHICH IS A GREAT DEAL FOR 
US.
WE'RE GOING TO REPAINT THEM.
THEY'RE SMALLER BUSES, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HELP US WITH 
SOME OF OUR SERVICE ISSUES.
COORDINATING WITH TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS.
WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH PSTA AT SERVICE IN 
WESTSHORE. THE EXPRESSWAY AUTHORITY HAS A PROJECT AND 
HOPEFULLY MAYBE LOOKING AT HOV LANES OR HOT LANES.
ACCELERATING ACCESSIBILITY IMPROVEMENTS.
IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS COUNTY, AND I KNOW YOU GAVE OUT 
SOME MONEY TODAY FOR SOME OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEN LOOKING FOR MONEY FOR THE OPERATIONS AND 
MAINTENANCE FACILITY.
ONE OF THE KEY ISSUES THAT THE HART BOARD APPROVED ON 
AUGUST -- AT THEIR AUGUST 4th MEETING WAS THE ALTERNATIVE 
ANALYSIS STUDY, A WORK PROGRAM FOR THAT STUDY.
IF YOU'RE GOING AFTER FEDERAL MONEY FOR A MAJOR INVESTMENT 
SUCH AS RAIL, THIS IS ONE OF THE FIRST STEPS.
HART WAS SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING SOME APPROVALS BACK IN 2003, 
BUT THAT PROCESS WAS DISCONTINUED.
THE HART BOARD THEN IN AUGUST TALKED ABOUT GOING BACK INTO 
THAT PROCESS, YOU KNOW, RELOOKING AT THE TAMPA RAIL 
PROJECT, WHAT WE'D HAVE TO DO.
WE'VE TALKED TO FTA.
WE'RE DEVELOPING THE WORK PROGRAM NOW.
WE'D HAVE TO REFRESH SOME OF THE DATA, COLLECT SOME NEW 
DATA, WORK A LOT OF OUTREACH, A LOT OF COORDINATION WITH 
THE MPO AS IT'S DOING ITS LONG-RANGE PLAN, A LOT OF 
COORDINATION WITH FDOT AS IT'S DOING THE WORK WITH TBARTA, 
BUT WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT PROJECT, AND YOU'LL BE HEARING 
A LOT MORE ABOUT IT SOON.
SO THAT CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS UPDATE.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  GOOD REPORT, MARY.
ANY QUESTIONS?
QUESTION, MS. SAUL-SENA.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  THANK YOU.
IT'S VERY EXCITING WHAT AN AMBITIOUS PROGRAM YOU HAVE.
I HAD A COUPLE OF TIME FRAME QUESTIONS.
THE WHITING EXTENSION, WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME ON THAT?
WHEN IS IT PROJECTED TO BE COMPLETED?
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  WE'RE TRYING TO GO IN TO DO A DESIGN-
BUILD I BELIEVE EARLY IN THE YEAR.
I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE 2010, THE SUMMER OF 2010, THE 
OPENING.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  GREAT.
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  YEP.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  GREAT.
AND THE TIME FRAME FOR THE SHELTERS BEGINNING TO HAVE 
ADVERTISING?
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  THEY'RE GOING UP NOW.
I KNOW -- YOU KNOW, SO THAT'LL BE SOON, AND, YOU KNOW --
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  GOOD.
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  WE'VE GOT THE CONTRACT GOING, AND I 
THINK I'VE SEEN SOME THAT ARE LOOKING FOR ADVERTISING ON 
THEM.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  GREAT.
AND LASTLY, I BELIEVE THAT HARTLINE HAS THE STRUCTURAL 
OPPORTUNITY TO RAISE SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUES THROUGH 
MILLAGE THAT YOU HAVEN'T TAPPED INTO, IS THAT TRUE, AND IS 
IT YOUR CALL OR IS IT THE COUNTY COMMISSION'S CALL WHETHER 
YOU HAVE -- WHETHER YOU CAN DO THAT?
>>MARY SHAVALIER:  I'LL DEFER THAT TO MR. ARMIJO.
HE KNOWS.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  OKAY.
>>DAVID ARMIJO:  GOOD MORNING.
I'M DAVID ARMIJO, THE CEO FOR HART.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE OF THOSE COMPLICATED ISSUES.
LET ME TRY TO ANSWER IT IN TWO PARTS.
I MEAN, FIRST WE HAVE THE MILLAGE ROLLBACK THAT WE HAD FOR 
LAST YEAR.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  YES.
>>DAVID ARMIJO:  WE ANTICIPATED THAT ROLLBACK FROM A HALF A 
MILL TO TAKE US BACK TO .44.
AS IT TURNED OUT, WE DISCOVERED IN JULY THAT THE MILLAGE 
ACTUALLY BECAUSE OF THE VALUATIONS GOING UP A BIT, 
COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, CAME IN AT .46, SO THAT 
AUTOMATICALLY GAVE US A LITTLE MORE REVENUE THAN WE 
ANTICIPATED.
WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY BASED ON THE ROLLBACK THAT CAME 
OUT LAST YEAR THAT IF THE HART BOARD CHOSE ON A VOTE OF 
TWO-THIRDS OF THE HART BOARD MEMBERS, THEY COULD ACTUALLY 
ROLL IT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HALF MILL, AND THE HALF MILL 
IS WHERE THE HART AD VALOREM HAS BEEN SINCE WE BEGAN IN 
1979, SO IT'S BEEN AT THAT RATE FOR THE LAST 29 YEARS.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE MILLAGE TO ACTUALLY GO UP 
TO AS MUCH AS THREE MILLS UNDER THE GOVERNANCE, THE RULES 
OF THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THAT, IN FACT, WOULD, IN FACT, 
REQUIRE A VOTE AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE GOING THROUGH THE 
COUNTY COMMISSION TO SEEK THAT VOTE.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  THANK YOU.
>> HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERED THE QUESTION.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  YES.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
I MIGHT MENTION THAT THE -- AGAIN, THE POLICY COMMITTEE 
MEETING WAS CANCELED.
THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD VOTED TO FORWARD THIS TO THE 
MPO, FINDING THAT THE HART 2009 THROUGH 2018 
TRANSPORTATION -- TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN UPDATE GENERALLY 
CONSISTENT WITH THE 2025 LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
SO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY BOARD APPROVED THAT, TECHNICAL 
ADVISORY BOARD ALSO, AND THE TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED 
COORDINATING BOARD ALSO.
SO WITH THAT, WE NEED A MOTION --
>> SO MOVE.
>> SECOND.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  -- TO APPROVE THIS.
MOVED AND SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS, MARY.
OKAY.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A -- WHAT WE CALL A WALK-ON ITEM.
SANDY MOODY, COMMUTER CHOICES WEEK.
>> GOOD MORNING.
SANDY MOODY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BAY AREA COMMUTER 
SERVICES.
THIS IS A REALLY BUSY TIME FOR US RIGHT NOW BECAUSE 
EVERYONE'S LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SAVE MONEY ON GAS AND CUT 
THEIR COSTS, AND WE'RE SEEING PEOPLE GOING INTO ALTERNATIVE 
MEANS OF TRANSPORTATION MORE THAN EVER, MORE THAN EVER IN 
OUR HISTORY.
THIS IS THE 12th YEAR FOR OUR COMMUTER CHOICES WEEK.
IT'S AN OUTREACH EFFORT TO BOTH BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THE 
GENERAL COMMUTING PUBLIC ON HOW TO DO THINGS OTHER THAN 
DRIVING BY THEMSELVES.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROMOTE IS TAKING TRANSIT, SO 
WE'RE PARTNERING WITH HART, PSTA, EVERYONE IN THE REGION 
BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A HILLSBOROUGH PROGRAM, THIS IS 
ALSO A PROGRAM FOR THE ENTIRE DISTRICT 7 REGION GOING ALL 
THE WAY UP TO CITRUS COUNTY, AND WE'RE HAPPY THIS YEAR 
BECAUSE INSTEAD OF WORKING WITH JUST PINELLAS AND 
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTIES, WE ARE OPENING IT UP ALL THE WAY UP 
TO CITRUS THIS YEAR, WHICH IS EXCITING FOR US.
AND THIS MONTH WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKING PEOPLE -- EVEN 
THOUGH THIS IS A WEEK THAT WE'VE DESIGNATED IN PAST TIMES 
AS FAR AS TRYING SOMETHING OTHER THAN DRIVING ALONE, WE'RE 
GOING TO ASK PEOPLE TO DO IT FOR THE WHOLE MONTH.
IT'S CRITICAL FOR US TO GET PEOPLE TO AT LEAST LOOK AT 
ANOTHER WAY OF DOING THINGS, AND THIS IS THE -- ONE OF THE 
BEST WAYS WE CAN THINK OF TO DO IT IS TO EDUCATE THEM IN A 
FUN BUT INFORMATIVE WAY THAT MAY CHANGE SOME PEOPLE'S 
MINDS.
I HEARD A STORY RECENTLY OF SOMEONE WHO HAD TO DO SOMETHING 
BECAUSE THEIR CAR BROKE DOWN, AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, I 
TRIED THE BUS FOR THE FIRST TIME.
I HAD NEVER DONE IT BEFORE, AND THERE IS A MIDDLE-AGED 
INDIVIDUAL, AND SAID, YOU KNOW, EVEN AFTER MY TRUCK WAS 
FIXED, I'M STILL RIDING THE BUS THREE DAYS A WEEK BECAUSE 
IT SAVED ME SO MUCH MONEY, SO ONCE WE CAN GET THAT MESSAGE 
ACROSS, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO.
THAT'S WHY WE DO THIS, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE COMING TO YOU 
FOR YOUR SUPPORT AGAIN THIS YEAR FOR OUR 12th ANNUAL EVENT, 
AND WE'LL BE ASKING PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE MONTH OF OCTOBER 
TO BE DOING SOMETHING OTHER THAN DRIVING ALONE AND 
REGISTERING THAT ON-LINE.
WE'VE GONE GREENER THIS YEAR.
WE'RE NOT DOING COMMITMENT CARDS.
YOU DO NOT HAVE A PACKET IN FRONT OF YOU LIKE WE USUALLY 
GIVE YOU BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO GO ON-LINE AND 
ACTUALLY REGISTER AND DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN DRIVING 
ALONE, AT LEAST ONE DAY DURING THE MONTH OF OCTOBER, SO 
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GAIN YOUR SUPPORT FROM THIS, AND WE 
APPRECIATE EVERYTHING WE CAN DO, AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY 
QUESTIONS FOR YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  ANY QUESTIONS OF MS. MOODY?
IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  SO WHAT SHE'S ASKING FOR IS WE ADOPT A 
RESOLUTION -- RECOMMEND THAT WE ADOPT A RESOLUTION 
PROCLAIMING THE WEEK OF OCTOBER 6th THROUGH THE 10th, 2008, 
AS THE 12th ANNUAL COMMUTER CHOICES WEEK.
>> SO MOVE.
>> SECOND.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  MOVED AND SECONDED.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
IF NOT, ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
[CHORUS OF AYES]
OPPOSED.
MOTION CARRIES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANKS, MS. MOODY.
OKAY.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT.
THE TRANSPORTATION DISADVANTAGED COORDINATING BOARD.
WE MET ON AUGUST THE 21st, AND THE BOARD APPROVED 
COORDINATION CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY TRANSPORTATION 
COORDINATOR AND THREE TRANSPORTATION PROVIDERS, HART, LIFE 
CONCEPTS, INC., AND MENTAL HEALTH CARE, INC.
HART PRESENTED THE MINOR UPDATE OF THE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT 
PLAN FOR 2009-2018.
FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATION, TDCB MEMBERS EXPRESSED THAT 
THERE IS A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL TRANSPORTATION SERVICES ON 
WEEKENDS AND ASKED HART TO MAKE MORE INFORMATION -- GIVE 
MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THEIR PLAN AVAILABLE ON THE 
INTERNET.
BOARD MEMBERS ALSO PRAISED HART RESPONSIVE WHEN THEIR 
CITIZENS' CONCERNS ARE RAISED.
THE TDP IS ON THE MPO AGENDA TODAY.
THERE WILL BE NO OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW AND 
MAKE -- THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY -- I'M SORRY ABOUT 
THAT.
THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE BOARD TO REVIEW AND 
MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT IT LATER.
HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY'S AGING SERVICES DEPARTMENT GAVE A 
PRESENTATION ON THEIR AGING SERVICES MASTER PLAN STUDY, 
PLANNING FOR AN AGING SOCIETY.
THE STUDY COMPLETED IN NOVEMBER LAST YEAR PROVIDED A 
FRAMEWORK TO EXAMINE ISSUES PERTAINING TO THE ELDERLY AND 
MADE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR LONG-TERM SOLUTIONS, INCLUDING 
HOUSING AND TRANSPORTATION ISSUES.
THE TDCB, THROUGH ITS OUTREACH AND AWARENESS COMMITTEE, HAS 
BEEN WORKING WITH LOCAL TRANSPORTATION SOCIAL SERVICE 
AGENCIES, INCLUDING AGING SERVICES, TO ADDRESS THE NEED FOR 
SERVICES ON THE WEEKEND FOR THOSE WHO ARE -- WHO ARE 
DEPENDENT ON TRANSIT OR PARATRANSIT SERVICES.
ONE APPROACH IS TO COORDINATE WITH THE FAITH-BASED 
ORGANIZATIONS THAT ALREADY PROVIDE SOME TRANSPORTATION 
SERVICE IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS A FOLLOW-UP TO THEIR MASTER PLAN, AGING SERVICES 
COMMISSIONED A STUDY TO INVESTIGATE HOW THE COUNTY AND 
LOCAL CONGREGATIONS CAN COLLABORATE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF 
SENIORS.
THE TDCB WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH AGING SERVICES ON THIS 
EFFORT.
SIMILAR TO THE REST OF THE NATION, 12% OF HILLSBOROUGH 
COUNTY'S POPULATION IS AGE 65 AND OLDER, AND BY 2030 THAT 
NUMBER WILL INCREASE TO 19.8%.
THE ACCESS TO TRANSPORTATION IS AND WILL BE INCREASING TO 
BE A VITAL COMPONENT OF MAINTAINING THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR 
OUR RESIDENTS.
THE NEXT TDCB MEETING WILL BE HELD ON AUGUST 23rd -- THAT 
CAN'T BE RIGHT -- AT 9:15 ON THE 18th FLOOR OF COUNTY 
CENTER.
THAT'S INCORRECT SINCE WE'RE ALREADY IN SEPTEMBER, BUT 
ANYWAY, WE'LL NOTIFY YOU WHEN THE NEXT TDCB BOARD MEETING 
IS.
OKAY.
LET ME SEE.
WE HAVE MR. CHIARAMONTE, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S REPORT.
>>RAY CHIARAMONTE:  THANK YOU.
GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS.
I JUST WANTED TO REPORT ON WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING OVER THE 
LAST MONTH.
I HAVE -- I PARTICIPATED IN THE TBARTA WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD 
IN WESTSHORE, WHICH WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED, AND HAVE TRIED 
TO STAY UP WITH EVERYTHING THAT TBARTA AND HART IS DOING 
WITH THEIR LONG-RANGE PLANNING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE 
COORDINATING IT WITH OUR LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION PLAN 
UPDATE.
I'VE ALSO ATTENDED THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY TRANSPORTATION 
TASK FORCE MEETINGS.
ON AUGUST 12th I WENT ON A FACT-FINDING TRIP WITH ELAINE 
McCLOUD, WHO IS ON THE MAYOR'S STAFF, AND COUNCILMAN TOM 
SCOTT, WHICH WAS VERY INFORMATIVE.
WE MET WITH THE DIFFERENT OFFICIALS IN CHARLOTTE AND TALKED 
ABOUT THEIR EFFORT IN BRINGING RAIL TRANSIT.
THEY HAVE A TEN-MILE LINE THAT'S BEEN COMPLETED, AND 
THEY'RE WORKING ON THEIR SECOND LEG NOW.
THEIR RIDERSHIP WAS BASICALLY DOUBLE WHAT THEY ESTIMATED.
THE THING I GUESS THAT MOST IMPRESSED ME WAS THIS IS THE 
FIRST CITY I'VE GONE TO THAT I REALLY COULD IDENTIFY TAMPA 
WITH IN SIZE AND DENSITY AND APPEARANCE, SO IT'S CLEAR THAT 
A CITY OUR SIZE -- ACTUALLY CHARLOTTE METRO AREA IS QUITE A 
BIT SMALLER THAN TAMPA IS IN POPULATION, AND THEIR SYSTEM'S 
WORKING VERY WELL.
WE GOT TO RIDE THE SYSTEM, SEE THEIR MAINTENANCE YARD, AND 
AGAIN MEET WITH THE LAND USE PEOPLE, THE TRANSPORTATION 
PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW THEY PUT IT ALL TOGETHER.
THE GOOD PART IS THAT I THINK WHEN THEY WENT TO THE VOTERS 
FOR REFERENDUM, THEY HAD MUCH LESS INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT 
THEY WERE GOING TO DO THAN WE ALREADY HAVE, SO I THINK WE -
- THE ONE THING ABOUT BEING LAST IS YOU HAVE THE ADVANTAGE 
OF WATCHING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE DID AND TRYING TO AVOID 
THEIR MISTAKES.
BUT THE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE WORKING VERY WELL, AND EVERYBODY 
IS VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT.
YOU MAY BE AWARE THEY HAD A VOTE ABOUT SIX MONTHS BEFORE 
THE SYSTEM WAS COMPLETE TO RESCIND THE TAX, AND THAT VOTE 
FAILED BY 70%.
SO CLEARLY THAT'S VERY HIGH FOR ANY KIND OF VOTE.
THE PEOPLE OF CHARLOTTE ARE VERY SUPPORTIVE OF THE LIGHT 
RAIL SYSTEM AND EXPANDING IT EVENTUALLY TO FIVE DIFFERENT 
CORRIDORS.
I ALSO WENT TO A CONGESTION MANAGEMENT TRAINING WORKSHOP IN 
ORLANDO FOR THE DAY AUGUST 13th.
I PRESENTED THE MPO TRANSIT PLAN TO THE HOME BUILDERS 
ASSOCIATION GOVERNMENT AFFAIR COMMITTEE ON THE 21st, WHICH 
WAS WELL RECEIVED.
I'M SENSING AN UNDERSTANDING ON THE PART OF MANY IN OUR 
BUSINESS COMMUNITY THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING A MULTIMODAL 
TRANSIT SYSTEM FOR OUR CONTINUED PROSPERITY HERE IN TAMPA.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE AUGUST 22nd TBARTA MEETING THEY 
DISCUSSED THE PROPOSED BUDGET, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR'S 
SEARCH, FUNDING AND FINANCE COMMITTEE DISCUSSIONS, AND 
ANNOUNCED THE NEXT LAND USE WORKING GROUP, WHICH I 
PARTICIPATE IN, WILL BE ON SEPTEMBER 10th AT TBRCP.
THIS IS AN IMPORTANT GROUP TO TIE IN OUR ACTIVITY CENTERS 
AND LAND USE WITH TBARTA'S PLANNING EFFORTS.
COMMISSIONER FERLITA ASKED ME TO PARTICIPATE IN A SHOW, 
WHICH WAS QUITE ENJOYABLE, ON THE 25th CALLED "TAKING 
SIDES," WHICH IS GOING TO BE ON TELEVISION.
IT WAS FOUR PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT RAIL TRANSIT AND GIVING 
THUMBS-UP AND THUMBS-DOWN.
THE GOOD THING IS THAT AT THE END, EVERYBODY BASICALLY GAVE 
A THUMBS-UP TO THE IDEA THAT THEY THOUGHT A REFERENDUM, IF 
STRUCTURED CORRECTLY, COULD PASS IN HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY.
SO THAT WAS ENCOURAGING.
I ALSO PRESENTED THE MPO PLAN TO TAMPA CITY COUNCIL ON 
AUGUST 28th AS PART OF A MEETING AND WORKSHOP THAT 
COUNCILMAN AND CHAIRMAN TOM SCOTT HELD REGARDING THE TRIP 
TO CHARLOTTE AND GETTING COUNCIL UP TO -- UP TO SNUFF KIND 
OF ON WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR TRANSIT PLANNING.
I'VE INCLUDED SOME ARTICLES, WHICH I'M GOING TO CONTINUE TO 
DO.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE INFORMED AT BROADER ISSUES TO 
MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE GOING TO GROW 
EVENTUALLY AGAIN.
THERE IS ANOTHER BABY BOOM COMING THAT WE'RE BEGINNING TO 
SEE SIGNS OF, SO WE'RE MOVING AHEAD.
THERE'S ANOTHER ARTICLE ABOUT NORFOLK'S NEW LIGHT RAIL 
SYSTEM, ANOTHER CITY THAT'S KIND OF JUMPED ON THE 
BANDWAGON.
UNFORTUNATELY I THOUGHT THEY HAD A GREAT NAME THAT WOULD 
HAVE WORKED FOR US.
THEY CALL IT THE TIDE, SO THAT'S THE NAME OF THEIR NEW 
LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM THAT'S OPENING.
TALKED ABOUT ALSO AN AARP POLL ABOUT GAS TAXES AND HABITS 
OF PEOPLE OVER 50; REINVENTING SUBURBS, HOW WE NEED TO 
AGAIN, I'VE EMPHASIZED, CHANGE THE LAND USE 
CHARACTERISTICS.
ANOTHER ARTICLE FROM THE AMERICAN PLANNING ASSOCIATION ON 
OUR CARBON FOOTPRINTS OF DIFFERENT CITIES ON A PER CAPITA 
BASIS.
OURS IS CONSIDERABLY HIGHER, UNFORTUNATELY, THAN A LOT OF 
OTHER CITIES THAT WE HAVE.
AND LASTLY, I HAVE THE LATEST EDITION OF THE NEW URBANISM 
DIVISION OF APA'S NEWSLETTER, WHICH I'M CHAIRMAN OF THAT 
ORGANIZATION, TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT ISSUES, SOME OF THEM 
RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION.
I WANTED TO REMIND YOU THAT THE MPO MEETING NEXT MONTH WILL 
BE ON OCTOBER 14th, NOT ON ITS REGULAR DAY.
WE HAVE A CONFLICT WITH A BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS'S 
LAND USE MEETING ON OUR REGULAR MEETING DAY, SO IT WILL BE 
THE SECOND TUESDAY OF THE MONTH INSTEAD OF THE FIRST 
TUESDAY.
THAT WILL BE AUGUST 14th, AND OBVIOUSLY WE'LL SEND OUT 
INFORMATION TO REMIND YOU OF THAT.
AND THAT IS THE END OF MY REPORT.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. CHIARAMONTE?
IF NOT, THANK YOU, RAY.
GOOD JOB.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  I WANT TO THANK MR. CHIARAMONTE FOR THIS 
INFORMATION.
IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE, AND WE APPRECIATE THIS, RAY.
THANKS.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU.
YES.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  I WANTED TO SAY THAT HIS PRESENTATION 
TO CITY COUNCIL ABOUT THE MPO'S PLANS WAS EXTREMELY 
INFORMATIVE, AND SINCE NOT ALL THE MPO -- ALL THE COUNCIL 
MEMBERS ARE ABLE TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, IT 
WAS REALLY VALUABLE, AND I THINK GETTING IT OUT ON 
TELEVISION WAS GOOD.
AND FRANKLY, EVERY TIME YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION IT BECOMES 
MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND THE GRAPHICS ARE BETTER, AND I HOPE 
THAT THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS THAT 
HAVE PROGRAMS IN THE COMMUNITY.
>>RAY CHIARAMONTE:  ABSOLUTELY.
ANY ORGANIZATION THAT WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A PRESENTATION OF 
THE MPO TRANSIT CONCEPT PLAN, I WOULD BE MORE THAN PLEASED 
TO DO SO.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE.
THANKS.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  RAY IS DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB IN 
OUTREACHING TO THE ENTIRE AREA TO BRING TO THEM THE PLANS 
THAT WE HAVE THAT WE'VE BEEN FORMULATING WITH OUR MPO, AND 
I'M VERY COMPLIMENTARY.
YES.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WASN'T GOING TO 
BRING THIS UP UNLESS RAY DID, AND HE DID SAY THAT I INVITED 
HIM TO BE ONE OF OUR GUEST PANELISTS ON "TAKING SIDES," AND 
VERY WELL RECEIVED.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE BUMPED FORMER MAYOR DICK GRECO OFF 
OF THAT SPOT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT RAY HAD MORE TO OFFER THAN 
DICK DID BASED ON THAT SUBJECT, AND BEFORE THEY WERE 
EXCITED ABOUT YOU BEING THERE, RAY, AND AFTERWARDS THE 
PRODUCER, ET CETERA, SAID YOU JUST BROUGHT A WORLD OF 
INFORMATION TO OUR DISCUSSION, SO THANKS FOR JOINING IN.
>>RAY CHIARAMONTE:  THANK YOU.
APPRECIATE IT.
>>ROSE FERLITA:  UH-HUH.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  GREAT JOB, RAY.
OKAY.
WE HAVE A -- WHAT WE CALL A WALK-ON ITEM, COMMUTER CHOICES 
WEEK.
SORRY.
SORRY ABOUT THAT.
YES, WE DID THAT ALREADY.
STATUS REPORT, PRESENTATION ON THE CHALLENGE OF INCREASING 
ENERGY COSTS, RAYMOND KAISER.
>> GOOD MORNING.
FIRST I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
THE SLIDE SHOW THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS NOT THE 
SAME ONE [INAUDIBLE]
>> EXCUSE ME, SIR.
YOU NEED TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.
>> I APOLOGIZE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THE SLIDE SHOW THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU I'VE MADE A 
COUPLE CHANGES TO.
I WORKED ON IT THIS WEEKEND.
MS. FERRARO WAS VERY GRACIOUS IN TERMS OF GIVING ME SOME 
LATITUDE IN TERMS OF MAKING SOME LAST-MINUTE EDITORIAL 
CHANGES.
>>RAY CHIARAMONTE:  JUST TO STEP IN, YOU DON'T HAVE IT IN 
FRONT OF YOU YET.
IT'S GOING TO BE GIVEN TO YOU, THOUGH.
>> OH, OKAY.
WELL, THANK YOU, RAY.
I DIDN'T REALIZE [UNINTELLIGIBLE] EARLIER.
THE SECOND THING IS -- THE SECOND REASON I WOULD LIKE TO 
APOLOGIZE IS I'M GOING TO MAKE YOU FEEL A LITTLE BIT 
UNCOMFORTABLE, AND THAT'S NOT ALWAYS A GOOD INTRODUCTION TO 
A SPEECH, BUT I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE ISSUE OF ENERGY FOR 
THE LAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS, AND I THINK THERE'S BEEN A 
REAL LACK OF INTEGRITY AND HONESTY IN A DISCUSSION, AND SO 
REALLY WHAT I WANT TO DO IS GIVE YOU A REALITY CHECK IN 
REGARDS TO WHERE WE ARE VIS-A-VIS THE GLOBAL ENERGY 
CHALLENGE AND HOW AS A NATION, FOR WHATEVER REASON, WE'VE 
BEEN VERY UNRESPONSIVE TO DEALING WITH IT IN A WAY THAT 
REALLY HAS A LOT OF INTEGRITY AND IS REALLY BASED NOT ON 
OUR OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT'S TRUE BUT IS REALLY BASED ON A 
GROUNDING IN TERMS OF REALITY IN TERMS OF WHAT'S MOST TRUE 
AS BEST I CAN TELL, AND OBVIOUSLY ALL I DO IS HAVE ONE 
POINT OF VIEW, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT FLORIDA, CLEARLY WE'VE 
HAD AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY THAT'S BEEN PRETTY 
SIMPLE.
THE STRATEGY HAS BEEN BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME, AND 
THAT'S BEEN EXTRAORDINARILY SUCCESSFUL FOR THE LAST 30 
YEARS.
NOW, I WORK FOR AN ENGINEERING COMPANY, AND SO I'M IN FRONT 
OF DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS ALL DAY LONG, AND WHEN YOU TALK 
TO THEM ABOUT THE SLOWDOWN, INEVITABLY THEY SAY, WELL, WHEN 
THINGS TURN AROUND, AND THEIR NOTION OF WHEN THINGS TURN 
AROUND IS THAT THE NEXT 30 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT WILL BE 
LIKE THE PREVIOUS 30 YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT, AND I'M GOING TO 
SUGGEST TO YOU THAT THAT'S AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION.
YOU KNOW, IT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING WHEN YOU'RE CAUGHT IN THE 
FLOW OF HISTORY IN TERMS OF DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WHAT'S 
AN IMPORTANT CHANGE IN WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT'S JUST PART 
OF THE NOISE LEVEL OF VARIOUS PEOPLE TAKING DIFFERENT 
POSITIONS.
WHAT I WILL SUGGEST IS THAT RIGHT NOW THE BUSINESS AS USUAL 
IS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES, AND THERE ARE TWO FUNDAMENTALLY 
DIFFERENT REASONS THAT'S TRUE.
ONE IS IS BECAUSE THE PRICE THAT WE'VE GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO 
IN TERMS OF PAYING FOR ENERGY IS NOT THE SAME PRICE WE'LL 
BE PAYING IN THE FUTURE.
AND THE SECOND REASON IS IS BECAUSE EVEN IF WE -- GASOLINE 
WAS CHEAP, THE KIND OF CAPITAL AVAILABLE WE HAVE TO BUILD 
OUT THE KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE BASED ON THE DEPENDENCE ON 
PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION IS UNLIKELY TO BE MET, AND THAT'S 
TRUE AT THE FEDERAL LEVEL, THAT'S TRUE AT THE STATE LEVEL, 
AND THIS LAST DIAGRAM IS BASICALLY FROM YOUR OWN REPORT, 
WHICH SUGGESTED 72% OF THE ROADS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS 
NEEDED BASICALLY THERE'S NOT CAPITAL FUNDING FOR.
SO WE HAVE BOTH AN EXPENSE PROBLEM AND A CAPITAL PROBLEM, 
AND SO REALLY WHAT I'M GOING TO DO NOW IS IS I'M GOING TO 
COVER THREE DIFFERENT TOPICS.
I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT GLOBAL ENERGY OUTLOOK, AND 
I'M GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT -- I'M GOING TO PRETEND THAT 
YOU'RE ADULTS BECAUSE THE FACT IS IS THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD AN 
ADULT CONVERSATION ON ENERGY SINCE ROSS PEROT OVER A DECADE 
AGO SAID, LET'S TAX AT 50 CENTS A GALLON AND LET'S USE THAT 
MONEY TO INVEST IN ALTERNATIVES.
AND HAD WE DONE THAT A DECADE AGO, WE'D BE IN A VERY 
DIFFERENT SITUATION THAN WE ARE TODAY.
AND GUESS WHAT, THAT WASN'T A POPULAR NOTION, AND I THINK 
THAT THAT'S THE REASON THERE HASN'T BEEN AN HONEST 
DISCUSSION IS BECAUSE THE POLITICS AROUND US ARE FAIRLY 
AWKWARD.
THE SECOND THING IS IS WHAT'S THE IMPACT ON TAMPA BAY 
REGION, AND I MEAN REAL IMPACT, NOT THIS IDEA THAT A COUPLE 
OF ANECDOTAL PIECES ABOUT PEOPLE BEING CHARGED UP ABOUT 
HIGH ENERGY PRICES, BUT WHAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL ECONOMIC 
IMPACT AND HOW DOES THAT REALLY INFLUENCE US IN A WAY THAT 
WE REALLY HAVEN'T ACCOMMODATED IN TERMS OF THE KIND OF 
CAPITAL INVESTMENT CHOICES WE'RE MAKING TODAY, AND THEN 
SPECIFICALLY HOW DOES THIS AFFECT TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
THIS IS AN ARTICLE.
I'VE BEEN A LONG-TERM NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SUBSCRIBER, AND 
THIS IS ACTUALLY A COVER STORY THEY DID IN 2006.
NOW, WHEN THEY DID THIS COVER STORY, THEY WERE SUGGESTING 
WE WERE AT THE END OF AN ERA, AND THIS IS WHEN OIL WAS 
TRADING AT $50 A BARREL, AND AT $50 A BARREL, THE OFFICIAL 
U.S. FORECAST IS THAT THE FOLLOWING YEAR THE PRICE WOULD GO 
DOWN TO $35.
BUT NOW I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A REAL HISTORY LESSON.
NOW, THIS HISTORY LESSON IS BASICALLY THE PRICE OF OIL, AND 
IT BASICALLY SHOWS TWO DIFFERENT NUMBERS.
IT SHOWS BASICALLY DOLLARS THAT PEOPLE PAID FOR ENERGY AND 
THEN IT SHOWS YOU IN REAL DOLLARS, REAL DOLLARS BEING 
ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION.
NOW, THIS IS 150-YEAR HISTORY.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST 30 MINUTES, THIS IS NOT THE LAST 30 
YEARS, THIS IS OVER A PERIOD OF 150 YEARS.
THE FIRST BIG BUMP IN OIL WAS WHEN WHALE OIL BECAME SCARCE, 
SO THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THAT OIL -- THE PRICE OF OIL 
REALLY JUMPED UP IS WHEN WHALE OIL BECAME SCARCE, BUT IF 
YOU REALLY LOOK AT THE HISTORICAL PRICE POINT OF OIL, THE 
HISTORICAL PRICE POINT OF OIL IS ABOUT $20 A BARREL.
THAT'S OVER A PERIOD OF 150 YEARS.
THE FIRST BIG JUMP-UP WE SAW WAS IN 1973.
THAT WAS THE YOM KIPPUR WAR, AND I'M SURE A LOT OF YOU 
REMEMBER THE YOM KIPPUR WAR BECAUSE IT WAS A SURPRISE 
ATTACK ON THE STATE OF ISRAEL, AND UNITED STATES, GREAT 
BRITAIN, FRANCE, AND OTHER WESTERN ALLIES, RUSHED A LOT OF 
MILITARY ASSISTANCE TO ISRAEL BECAUSE OF A SURPRISE ATTACK, 
AND WHAT HAPPENED IS THE ARAB NATIONS CUT OFF OUR SUPPLY OF 
OIL.
SO THAT WAS THE FIRST BIG SHIFT, IF YOU WILL, IN THE PRICE 
OF OIL.
THE SECOND BIG SHIFT WAS THE FALLING OF THE SHAH OF IRAN.
NOW, AFTER THE FALL OF THE SHAH OF IRAN, THREE THINGS 
HAPPENED THAT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGED THE GAME OF OIL.
THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED IS THAT NEW CAPACITY CAME ON-
LINE.
NEW CAPACITY CAME ON-LINE IN MEXICO WITH THE CANTARELL 
FIELD, PRUDHOE BAY CAME ON-LINE, AND NORTH SEA CAME ON-
LINE.
SO THE FIRST THING WAS WAS WE HAD A BIG JUMP-UP IN SUPPLY.
THE SECOND THING THAT HAPPENED, AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY 
TRUE IN FLORIDA, IS WE MOVED A LOT OF ENERGY PRODUCTION, IN 
OTHER WORDS, POWER PRODUCTION, FROM OIL TO NATURAL GAS.
AND SO AT ONE TIME 30% OR 40% OF OUR POWER PRODUCTION WAS 
FROM OIL, AND NOW IT'S REALLY -- IN FLORIDA IT'S 50%, 
NATIONALLY IT'S 20% FROM NATURAL GAS, SO THAT WAS THE 
SECOND BIG CHANGE.
THE THIRD BIG CHANGE IS THAT WE BECAME MUCH MORE EFFICIENT 
IN OUR USE OF OIL, AND SO YOU SAW BASICALLY CONGRESS PASSED 
NEW FUEL STANDARDS, YOU SAW A LOT OF INDUSTRIES BASICALLY 
INCREASE THEIR USE -- DECREASE THEIR USE OF OIL 
CONSUMPTION, AND THEN YOU SAW A LOT OF SPECIFIC TYPES OF 
INDUSTRIES ACTUALLY MOVE OVERSEAS BECAUSE WE'RE 
NONCOMPETITIVE VIS-A-VIS ENERGY PRODUCTION.
NOW, WHAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT JUST AS LITTLE 
AS TEN YEARS AGO THE PRICE OF OIL WAS ONLY $10 A BARREL, SO 
HERE YOU HAVE A 150-YEAR HISTORY SUGGESTING THAT THE 
TYPICAL PRICE HAS BEEN $20 A BARREL, AND NOW WE'RE OVER 
$100 A BARREL.
NOW, WHAT'S THE OFFICIAL PRICE FORECAST?
LOOK AT THIS DATE.
THIS IS DECEMBER OF 2007.
THIS IS FROM UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, AND THEY WERE 
PROJECTING THAT IN WORST-CASE THE PRICE OF OIL WOULD BE 
$120 A BARREL 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AND WE HIT THAT PRICE WITHIN A MATTER OF 90 DAYS.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST TO YOU IS AT SOME POINT WE 
SEEM TO BE OUT OF TOUCH WITH REALITY WITH WHAT'S GOING ON, 
AND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW -- I WAS ACTUALLY PART OF A 
TASK FORCE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA, HIRED BY THE STATE SIX 
YEARS AGO TO REALLY LOOK AT THE FUTURE OUTLOOK OF ENERGY 
FOR FLORIDA.
A LOT OF THE DATA -- I'M PRESENTING YOU NEW DATA, BUT THE 
BASIC THESIS OF THIS IS CONTAINED IN THAT REPORT THAT THE 
STATE FUNDED AND TOTALLY IGNORED, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THIS IS 
A NEW ISSUE, IT'S AN ISSUE THAT'S BEEN IN FRONT OF OUR FACE 
THAT FOR WHATEVER REASON WE'VE BEEN DECIDING NOT TO LOOK 
AT.
THIS IS BASICALLY A CHART FROM -- THIS IS FROM "OIL AND GAS 
JOURNAL," AND IT WAS QUOTED FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF 
ENERGY, AND I CAN PROVIDE THE SOURCE FOR ALL OF THIS 
INFORMATION, BUT THIS SHOWS YOU THE HISTORY OF OIL 
DISCOVERIES.
NOW, THIS IS GLOBAL, SO GLOBALLY WHEN WE FOUND THE MOST OIL 
WAS IN 1963, AND EVERY DECADE SINCE THEN WE'VE FOUND LESS 
AND LESS OIL.
NOW, THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE.
WE HAVE 3D SEISMIC SENSING.
WE HAVE SATELLITE IMAGERY.
WE CAN DO HORIZONTAL DIGGING OF OIL LIKE WE'VE NEVER DONE 
BEFORE.
WE CAN GO AND FIND OIL IN MUCH COLDER PLACES BECAUSE METALS 
ACT VERY DIFFERENTLY WHEN YOU'RE IN SUBARCTIC TEMPERATURES.
WE'RE NOW 8,000 MILES INTO THE EARTH UNDER THE SEA.
NOW, I'M NOT A DIVER, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS IS WHEN 
YOU'RE THAT FAR UNDER THE SEA, THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE 
THAT'S DELIVERED IS ENOUGH TO CRUSH A TRUCK, SO DESPITE ALL 
OF THIS INCREASE IN TECHNOLOGY, WE'RE BASICALLY -- THE 
WORLD RIGHT NOW, WE'RE CONSUMING 30 BILLION BARRELS OF OIL 
A YEAR, AND OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS WE'VE FOUND SIX 
BARRELS OF OIL, DESPITE RECORD HIGH PRICES.
EVERY DECADE SINCE 1963 WE'VE FOUND LESS AND LESS AND LESS 
OIL.
NOW, WHAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS THAT THERE ARE 14 
FIELDS IN THE WORLD THAT PRODUCE 20% OF THE WORLD'S OIL, 14 
FIELDS, AND I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LIST OF THOSE TOP 14 
FIELDS.
NOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN 
DO AND NOT DO VIS-A-VIS ENERGY, BUT THE REALITY IS IS THAT 
THESE ARE THE LARGEST PRODUCING FIELDS IN THE WORLD.
NOW, I WANT YOU TO NOTICE THREE THINGS.
ONE, WHAT COUNTRY ARE THESE FIELDS IN?
SAUDI ARABIA, KUWAIT, SAUDI ARABIA, SAUDI ARABIA, IRAQ, ABU 
DHABI, SAUDI ARABIA, IRAQ, IRAN.
AND THEN THE SECOND THING I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT IS THE 
DATES THAT THESE FIELDS WERE DISCOVERED, 1948, 1938, 1951, 
1964, 1953.
AND THEN LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THE FIELDS.
100 BILLION BARRELS, 60 BILLION BARRELS, 27 BILLION 
BARRELS.
A LARGE FIELD TODAY -- TUPE IS THE LARGEST FIELD WE'VE 
FOUND IN OVER 30 YEARS.
IT'S OFF THE COAST OF BRAZIL.
IT IS SIX BILLION BARRELS.
NOW, JUST THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE IF YOU WERE A 
FISHERMAN.
SOMEONE SAYS, WELL, I CAUGHT ME A HUNDRED-POUND FISH.
SOMEONE ELSE SAYS, THAT'S NOTHING, I CAUGHT ME A 60-POUND 
FISH.
SOMEONE ELSE COMES AND SAYS, WELL, I CAUGHT ME A FIVE-POUND 
FISH.
NOW, THAT'S OVER A PERIOD OF 50 YEARS.
IF YOU WERE A FISHERMAN, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK WAS HAPPENING 
WITH THE FISHERIES IF SOMEONE WERE TO TELL YOU A STORY LIKE 
THAT?
SO TO BELIEVE THAT SOMEHOW WE'LL FIND MORE OIL OUT SOMETIME 
IN SOME GLOSSY FUTURE IS IN AN UNREALISTIC EXPECTATION 
BASED ON REAL DATA.
AND GUESS WHAT, FIELDS GET OLD, THEY GET TIRED, AND SO WHAT 
WE FIND IS IS THAT ONCE YOU'VE USED ABOUT HALF PRODUCTION 
OF THE FIELD, THEIR PRODUCTION DECLINES.
IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENED IN CANTARELL, FOR THE LAST 
TEN YEARS, CANTARELL, MEXICO, HAS BEEN OUR SECOND OR THIRD 
LARGEST PROVIDER.
THEIR PRODUCTION FROM THIS YEAR FROM LAST YEAR IS OFF 30%.
IN FACT, THE PRODUCTION LOSS THIS MONTH, SO BASICALLY FROM 
JULY TO AUGUST -- WAS -- THE PRODUCTION LOSS WAS GREATER 
THAN SHELL'S NEW BIG FIELD THAT THEY FOUND THAT THEY'RE 
SPENDING HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS -- NOT HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS -
- SEVERAL BILLION DOLLARS TO DEVELOP.
THE LOSS IN PRODUCTION FROM ONE IN MEXICO IS MUCH GREATER 
THAN SHELL'S BIG NEW FIELD THAT THEY'RE EXPLORING.
SO WHAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE?
PEOPLE BLAME ENVIRONMENTALISTS, THEY BLAME DEMOCRATS, THEY 
BLAME REPUBLICANS, THEY BLAME ARABS, THEY BLAME THE OIL 
COMPANIES.
EVERYONE IS BLAMING SOMEONE ELSE FOR THE PROBLEM.
THE FACT IS IS WE'RE FINDING LESS OIL, AND WHEN YOU HAVE A 
HIGHER DEMAND AND LESS SUPPLY, WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENS, 
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT'S HAPPENING.
NOW, THIS IS FROM NOT POLITICIANS, THIS IS NOT FROM PEOPLE 
TRYING TO GET ELECTED, THESE ARE FROM OIL GEOLOGISTS, AND 
THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST WELL-RESPECTED DATA SOURCES IN THE 
WORLD IN REGARDS TO OIL.
IT'S FROM BP'S ANNUAL REVIEW OF OIL THAT THEY'VE BEEN 
PRODUCING FOR A LONG TIME, AND THIS SHOWS YOU WHERE MOST OF 
THE OIL IS.
ASIA PACIFIC, NORTH AMERICA.
WHERE IS MOST OF THE OIL?
70% OF THE WORLD'S OIL IS IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
NOW, PEOPLE TALK ABOUT ENERGY INDEPENDENCE IN THE UNITED 
STATES.
NOW, I'VE BEEN GIVING THIS TALK FOR FIVE YEARS, AND SO 
ALTHOUGH THIS MAY HAVE A POLITICAL EDGE, TRUST ME, THE DATA 
IS AVAILABLE.
IT'S ON THE INTERNET.
IT'S AVAILABLE FROM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, NOT SOME SPECIAL 
CONSPIRACIST.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE USING 20 MILLION BARRELS A DAY OF OIL.
THAT'S HOW MUCH OIL WE USE.
THIS CHART ON THE LEFT, WHICH IS FROM THE ENERGY 
INFORMATION AGENCY, WHICH IS AN AGENCY OF THE U.S. 
DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY, TELLS YOU THAT THE LIGHT BLUE LINE 
WE'RE A IMPORTING 10 MILLION BARRELS A DAY, SO WE'RE 
IMPORTING BASICALLY 50% OF OUR DEMAND.
THE RED LINE IS PRODUCING, HOW MUCH OIL WE PRODUCE.
WE'RE PRODUCING RIGHT NOW -- SO THAT'S OUR CURRENT EXPORTS.
IN 1971 WE PRODUCED 9.7 MILLION BARRELS A DAY OF OIL.
RIGHT NOW WE'RE PRODUCING FIVE MILLION BARRELS A DAY OF 
OIL.
IF WE LIFTED THE OFFSHORE BAN ON DRILLING, THE EIA 
ESTIMATES WE COULD PRODUCE MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL 200 BARRELS 
OF OIL.
THAT'S LESS THAN 1% OF OUR DAILY DEMAND, AND SO ANYONE THAT 
THINKS THAT THERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF OIL SOMEWHERE THAT 
SOMEHOW IS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM IS EITHER IGNORANT OR 
NOT BEING HONEST, AND I HATE TO SOUND SO -- YOU KNOW, I'VE 
BEEN DOING THIS FOR FIVE YEARS.
THIS FOR ME IS NOT ABOUT POLITICS, IT'S ABOUT HONESTY, AND 
FOR WHATEVER REASON OUR POLITICAL ESTABLISHMENT -- AND I 
WOULD SAY THIS IS TRUE OF BOTH PARTIES, SO I DON'T -- IS 
NOT WILLING TO LEVEL WITH PEOPLE IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S THE 
BEST AVAILABLE DATA WE HAVE ON THIS SUBJECT.
I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THE MIDDLE EAST.
YOU KNOW, OIL IS -- THERE'S NO OIL IN EGYPT TO SPEAK OF, 
THERE'S NO OIL IN ISRAEL.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE MIDDLE EAST, THERE'S ACTUALLY A FAIRLY 
SMALL TRIANGLE WHERE YOU'LL FIND OIL, AND IT'S IN FIVE 
COUNTRIES, AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE FIVE COUNTRIES ARE, 
BUT WHAT MOST PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IS HOW SMALL OF A 
FOOTPRINT THAT TRIANGLE REPRESENTS.
IT'S A THOUSAND MILES BY 800 MILES BY 450 MILES, WHICH IS 
WHERE 70% OF THE WORLD'S OIL IS.
NOW, HOW BIG IS THAT TRIANGLE?
THAT TRIANGLE IS A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN ARIZONA.
THAT'S HOW BIG WHERE 70% OF THE WORLD'S OIL IS FROM, AND 
GUESS WHAT, IT'S A TOUGH NEIGHBORHOOD.
[LAUGHTER]
SO -- AND GUESS WHAT.
OUR POPULARITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS REALLY GONE DOWN 
OVER THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.
AND AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU BELIEVE.
IF YOU'VE GOT A BETTER SET OF DATA IN REGARDS TO WHERE OIL 
MAY BE -- BUT I'M RELYING ON GEOLOGISTS, PETROLEUM 
GEOLOGISTS TO TELL US WHERE THIS OIL IS, SO IF YOU'VE GOT A 
DIFFERENT DATA SET THAN I DO, I'M REALLY WILLING TO LISTEN, 
BUT I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING THIS FOR A LONG TIME.
WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING IS IS WHAT ARE WE GETTING FOR 
INVESTMENT IN TERMS OF MIDDLE EAST SECURITY ON OIL.
JUST FRIDAY THERE WAS A BIG ANNOUNCEMENT THAT IRAQ HAS 
SIGNED THEIR FIRST DEAL WITH AN INTERNATIONAL OIL COMPANY 
SINCE THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN, AND IT WAS SIGNED WITH 
CHINA NATIONAL PETROLEUM CORPORATION.
SO REALLY, THIS -- SO THINK ABOUT THIS IN REGARDS TO U.S. 
SECURITY.
THIS IS NOT ON YOUR CHARTS.
THIS IS ONE I ADDED.
WHEN I SAW THIS NEWS, I WAS STUNNED.
I WAS TRULY STUNNED.
WE'VE MADE A BIG GAMBLE, AND GUESS WHAT, THE GAMBLE IS NOT 
PAYING OFF.
NOW, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IN TAMPA BAY?
SO NOW I'M GOING TO REALLY BRING IT HOME AND SUGGEST TO YOU 
THAT RIGHT NOW TAMPA BAY REGION IS AT A FUNDAMENTAL RISK IF 
THEY CONTINUE TO IGNORE THIS PROBLEM AND DON'T TAKE THE 
KIND OF LEADERSHIP THAT WE'VE BEEN LACKING AT THE NATIONAL 
LEVEL.
IF YOU FOLKS DON'T HAVE THE LEADERSHIP TO ADDRESS THIS 
PROBLEM, WE'RE IN DEEP TROUBLE.
AND THE REASON IS IS BECAUSE WE'RE MUCH MORE DEPENDENT THAN 
OTHER METRO AREAS ON OUR DEPENDENCE ON PETROLEUM.
IF YOU LOOK AT JUST THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IN TAMPA BAY 
REGION, WHEN WE MOVED FROM $1.50 A GALLON TO $4 A GALLON, 
IT MEANT AN ADDITIONAL $3 BILLION LEFT THE COMMUNITY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT'S INTERESTING TO GET 
JADED WHEN YOU SEE A TRILLION-DOLLAR ECONOMY AND YOU SEE 
BILLIONS FOR THIS AND YOU SEE A HUNDRED BILLION FOR THAT, 
BUT GUESS WHAT, THIS IS REALLY MONEY.
IN ORDER TO PUT THIS IN CONTEXT, PUBLIX IS THE LARGEST 
PRIVATE ENTITY IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.
THEY EMPLOY 22,000 PEOPLE.
THEIR NET EARNINGS LAST YEAR WERE $1 BILLION, WHICH 
SUGGESTS TO ME THAT $3 BILLION IS JUST A LOT OF CASH, AND 
SO DON'T GET FOOLED BY THINKING, OH, A BILLION HERE, A 
BILLION THERE, THAT'S NOT REALLY MONEY.
EACH TIME THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOES UP, THE ECONOMIC 
IMPACT ON THIS COMMUNITY IS TREMENDOUS, SO IF YOU THINK 
ABOUT PUBLIX EARNING A BILLION DOLLARS, A $3-BILLION LOSS 
IS A NET EFFECT OF 66,000 PEOPLE WORKING EACH AND EVERY 
SINGLE YEAR.
IT GETS BETTER.
YOU LOOK AT TAMPA AND YOU LOOK AT TAMPA AGAINST 28 METRO 
AREAS IN THE COUNTRY, 28, THE TOP 28 METRO AREAS, AND TAMPA 
IS THE MOST VULNERABLE OF ANY OF THEM, NOT BY A LITTLE BIT 
BUT BY FAR IN REGARDS TO THE PERCENTAGE OF HOUSEHOLD INCOME 
THAT'S ACTUALLY DEDICATED TOWARDS TRANSPORTATION.
YOU KNOW, A PERCENT OR 2% WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY 
LARGE NUMBERS ACTUALLY GETS TO BE A LOT OF MONEY.
IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE PERSONAL 
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK COSTS TAMPA, IT'S $23 BILLION A 
YEAR.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THE VOTERS PASSED FOR 
HIGH-SPEED RAIL IN FLORIDA, I GUESS IT WAS IN 2001, AND 
THEN WE MADE A DECISION TO RESCIND THAT VOTE, AND THE 
REASON WE RESCINDED THAT VOTE IS BECAUSE IT WAS TOO 
EXPENSIVE.
THE COST OVER A 30-YEAR PERIOD WAS $30 BILLION FOR THE 
ENTIRE STATE.
AND THAT WAS A DECISION THAT WE MADE, AND IT WAS A 
REMARKABLE DECISION GIVEN THAT WE MADE IT AFTER 9/11 AND 
GIVEN THAT WE KNOW THAT WE'RE ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON 
IMPORTED FUEL.
NOW I'M GOING TO REALLY BRING IT DOWN TO THE RESPONSIBILITY 
IN FRONT -- REGARDS TO THE PEOPLE I HAVE RIGHT IN FRONT OF 
ME.
WE ARE BASICALLY BUILDING A SYSTEM WHERE WE'RE ABSOLUTELY 
DEPENDENT ON FOREIGN OIL, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DRILL OUR 
WAY -- T. BONE PICKENS, WHO IS NOT ONE OF MY FAVORITE 
AMERICANS, BUT IS -- HAS BEEN IN THE OIL INDUSTRY FOR 40 
YEARS, AND HE SAYS WE WILL NOT DRILL OUR WAY OUT OF THIS 
CRISIS, PERIOD, END OF STATEMENT.
AND IF YOU TALK TO ANYONE KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THIS SUBJECT -- 
THERE IS NO ONE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT I'M AWARE OF THAT TAKES 
THE POSITION THAT SOMEHOW WE WILL FIND ENOUGH OIL OR WE'LL 
PROCESS ENOUGH TAR SANDS OR WE'LL TAKE ENOUGH OIL SHALE TO 
ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM.
THAT'S DISHONESTY AT ITS WORST.
IF YOU REMEMBER SEVEN YEARS AGO WE SHIFTED BILLIONS OF 
DOLLARS OF RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS FROM A WIDE 
RANGE OF TECHNOLOGIES INTO HYDROGEN.
REMEMBER WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A HYDROGEN ECONOMY.
IT WAS NOT BASED ON SOUND SCIENCE, IT WAS NOT BASED ON 
REALITY, IT WAS BASED ON WISHFUL THINKING.
SO I'M GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THERE ARE THREE DISTINCT 
ADAPTIVE STRATEGIES IF WE WANT TO HAVE A MIXED PORTFOLIO.
THE SLIDE ON THE -- EXCUSE ME -- THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT 
TALKS ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO REBALANCE ONE'S 
PORTFOLIO.
IF ALL OF A SUDDEN -- RIGHT NOW WE'RE VERY HEAVILY INVESTED 
IN ONE SINGLE KIND OF TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, AND REALLY 
WHAT -- WE ALL KNOW WHAT IT IS, IT'S THE PRIVATE 
AUTOMOBILE.
IT REQUIRES ROADS, IT REQUIRES INFRASTRUCTURE, IT REQUIRES 
PARKING, AND WE'RE REALLY IN A ZERO-SUM GAME.
EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE SPENT FOR MASS TRANSIT, EVERY DOLLAR 
WE SPENT FOR BICYCLE-FRIENDLY OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT SEEMS 
FOO-FOO IS A DOLLAR THAT'S NOT AVAILABLE TO WIDEN THESE 
ROADS, AND AS WE CONTINUE TO WIDEN THESE ROADS AND SPEND 
BILLIONS AND BILLIONS MORE, THE QUESTION IS, IS THIS A 
MIXED PORTFOLIO THAT ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE IF WE'RE ACTUALLY 
WILLING TO LOOK AT THE DATA AND SET ASIDE OUR PERSONAL 
POSITIONS AND PERSPECTIVES AND REALLY LOOK TO THE COMMON 
GOOD BECAUSE IT'S IN NO ONE'S INTEREST FOR US TO CONTINUE 
TO BELIEVE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND ENOUGH GASOLINE TO PUT 
IN THE KIND OF FLEET THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, SO WHAT I'M 
GOING TO DO IS SUGGEST THREE VERY DISTINCT STRATEGIES, 
REBALANCING THE PORTFOLIO, ACCELERATING THE COMMITMENT TO 
LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION, AND TO REALLY RETHINK SOME 
FUNDAMENTAL TRANSPORTATION ASSUMPTIONS.
NOW, MR. MILLER, I NOTICED WHEN I WAS GOING AROUND THE 
THING THAT YOU WERE THE AVIATION AUTHORITY, AND I CERTAINLY 
DON'T MEAN TO BE OFFENSIVE WITH THIS SLIDE, BUT I THINK 
THAT ONE OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE PARTICULARLY NEED TO 
LOOK AT IS WE NEED TO REALLY START REINVESTING OUR 
PORTFOLIO FROM FUEL-HUNGRY TO FUEL-EFFICIENT TECHNOLOGIES.
IF WE ARE NOT WILLING -- YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE 
THE STATE LEGISLATURE -- THE GOVERNOR ACTUALLY WANTED US TO 
ADOPT CALIFORNIA'S FUEL STANDARDS, AND IT WAS ACTUALLY THE 
STATE LEGISLATURE THAT SAID NO WAY, EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD 
HAVE REDUCED OUR -- INCREASED EFFICIENCY OF CARS BY 50%.
SO YOU THINK IF SOMETHING THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A 
DRAMATIC IMPACT ON THE USE OF FUEL IT WOULD BE MORE 
EFFICIENT CARS, AND YET SOMEHOW IT'S POLITICALLY UNPOPULAR.
SO REALLY WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS IS WE REALLY NEED TO 
RETHINK OUR INVESTMENT TRANSPORTATION.
AND TAMPA, EVEN THOUGH IT HAS A DISADVANTAGE, VIS-A-VIS ITS 
DEPENDENCE ON PERSONAL TRANSPORTATION, IT HAS A TREMENDOUS 
STRATEGIC ADVANTAGE IN TWO VERY DISTINCT AREAS.
THE FIRST IS IS YOU HAVE WONDERFUL WATER ACCESS AND A 
STRONG PORT, AND WATER IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFICIENT WAYS TO 
MOVE FREIGHT AND PEOPLE, ENERGY-EFFICIENT.
THE SECOND IS IS YOU CANNOT LOOK AT ANY KIND OF MAP WHERE 
THEY LOOK AT RAIL, WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING AT FREIGHT OR 
WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING AT NATIONAL PASSENGER RAIL OR 
WHETHER THEY'RE LOOKING AT HIGH-SPEED RAIL THAT TAMPA ISN'T 
A CRITICAL DESTINATION BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING CURRENT 
ASSETS, SO THE MORE YOU COULD LEVERAGE THIS ASSET, THE MORE 
YOU COULD TAKE THE CURRENT DISADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF THE 
OVERWHELMING LEVERAGE IN TERMS OF THE PERSONAL 
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM AND ACTUALLY SHIFT IT TO AN ADVANTAGE 
BECAUSE OF THE PORT AND BECAUSE OF THE RAIL SYSTEMS.
AND THE FACT IS IS REBALANCING THE PORTFOLIO REPRESENTS 
LESS RISK.
IT ACTUALLY REPRESENTS LESS CAPITAL, AND SO REALLY, IF 
YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT JUST BEING SMART WITH DOLLARS, REALLY 
REBALANCING PORTFOLIOS AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME WHEN WE'RE 
GETTING TO THE END OF THE AGE OF CHEAP OIL JUST MAKES A LOT 
OF SENSE.
THE SECOND STRATEGY IS TO ACCELERATE THE COMMITMENT TO 
COORDINATED LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION PLANNING.
NOW, THE HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY HAS A STRONG COMMITMENT TO 
INTEGRATED LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION, BUT THE USGBC 
PROVIDES A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT MODEL FOR THINKING OF THIS AT 
THE REGIONAL, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE BUILDING SCALE, AND 
I'M GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW.
NOW, CLEARLY ONE OF THE THINGS -- WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO DO 
IS REALLY THINK ABOUT INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT BECAUSE IT'S 
THE INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT -- YOU KNOW, 
IF WE ALL WANTED TO GO TO LUNCH, IN MANY LOCATIONS THE ONLY 
WAY WE CAN GET THERE IS TO ALL GET IN OUR CARS AND GO 
WHEREAS IN THIS KIND OF SITUATION IT'S PRETTY EASY TO GO 
OUT AND WALK TO LUNCH, ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN IN MORE 
COMMUNITIES WHERE IT'S MORE PLEASANT TO WALK ALONG THE 
STREET.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU ALL CAN DO YOUR OWN ASSESSMENT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU'VE ALL BEEN TO CITIES WHERE TO GO OUT 
AN OFFICE BUILDING AND FIND A VERY PLEASANT KIND OF FEELING 
UNFOLDED, HAVING APPROPRIATE KIND OF TREES IN AN 
ENVIRONMENT LIKE THIS WHERE YOU HAVE A SUDDEN DOWNFALL, IS 
THERE A WAY TO PROTECT OURSELVES FROM THE ELEMENTS.
SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF GRANULARITY WHERE IT MAY SEEM 
BURDENSOME TO A DEVELOPER, BUT IT ACTUALLY MAKES FOR THE 
KIND OF ENVIRONMENT THAT IS GOING TO BE BASICALLY MORE 
ECONOMICALLY HEALTHY AND MORE INSULATED FROM THE KINDS OF 
EXPOSURE THAT WE HAVE NOW IN REGARDS TO RISK.
YOU KNOW, NOW, THIS CHART ON THE -- THE GRAPHIC ON THE LEFT 
IS ACTUALLY FROM GULF OF MEXICO ALLIANCE.
WHAT THEY SUGGEST IS THAT ST. PETERSBURG ACTUALLY HAS THE 
HIGHEST DENSITY -- I KNOW WE'RE NOT IN ST. PETERSBURG, I'M 
NOT MAKING THAT MISTAKE, BUT THEY'RE SUGGESTING THAT THEY 
HAVE THE HIGHEST DENSITY ALL ALONG THE GULF STATES, AND 
CLEARLY HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, ALTHOUGH THE COUNTYWIDE 
THERE'S ONLY 950 PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE, WITHIN THE CITY 
THE DENSITIES ARE GREATER.
AND SO REALLY WHAT'S NEEDED ARE STRATEGIES TO CREATE THE 
KIND OF DENSITY, DIVERSITY, AND PROXIMITY THAT MAKE A WIDE 
RANGE OF CHOICES MORE WORKABLE.
BECAUSE IN REGARDS TO SMART GROWTH, THERE ARE THREE Ds.
THERE'S DENSITY, THERE'S DESIGN, AND THERE'S DIVERSITY, AND 
THE DESIGN ISSUE REALLY HAS TO DO WITH COMPACT WALKABLE 
COMMUNITIES PROVIDING A DIVERSITY OF TRANSPORTATION 
OPTIONS.
NOW, WE ALL KNOW THAT IT'S NICE AND EASY TO TALK ABOUT 
INFILL AND REDEVELOPMENT, AND WE KNOW THE REAL PRACTICALITY 
IN TERMS OF MAKING THAT HAPPEN, VIS-A-VIS THE POLITICAL 
PROCESS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
GENERALLY, THE DEVELOPER FACES SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER LAND 
COST, WHICH REDUCES THE DIVERSITY OF HOUSING TYPES AND 
PRODUCTS THAT MAY BE AVAILABLE.
WE ALL KNOW THE BUGABOO OF CONCURRENCY AND HOW CONCURRENCY 
REALLY SHIFTS A LOT OF THE BURDEN FOR AN INADEQUATE 
TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, IN PARTICULAR A TREMENDOUSLY 
EXPENSIVE INFRASTRUCTURE, ON TO THE DEVELOPER, AND WE ALL 
KNOW ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION.
INTERESTING IN REGARDS TO NEIGHBORHOOD OPPOSITION, IT'S 
ALWAYS PRESENTED AS A QUALITY-OF-LIFE ISSUE.
I WOULD SUGGEST TO YOU THAT OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IS 
FUNDAMENTALLY DIMINISHED BY THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT PATTERN 
WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS, AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT 
OUR COMMUNITY, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT JUST HUMAN.
WE'RE ABSOLUTELY DEPENDENT ON A LARGER COMMUNITY OF LIFE, 
ABSOLUTELY.
THE BODIES THAT I SEE IN FRONT OF US ARE BASICALLY THE AIR 
THAT WE BREATHE, THE WATER THAT WE DRINK, AND THE FOOD THAT 
WE EAT.
IF THE HEALTH AND THE VITALITY OF THE LARGER COMMUNITY OF 
LIFE SUFFERS, THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE CAN BE HEALTHY.
YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THEY DO THESE SURVEYS -- 
AND FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN THEY SAID WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT, 
THE ENVIRONMENT OR THE ECONOMY, PEOPLE CHOSE THE 
ENVIRONMENT.
NOW THAT TIMES ARE TOUGH, PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING THE ECONOMY.
WHAT A STUPID KIND OF QUESTION.
WHAT A REALLY IGNORANT QUESTION TO SUGGEST WHAT'S MORE 
IMPORTANT, THE ENVIRONMENT, BECAUSE THE ENVIRONMENT IS 
LITERALLY LIFE ITSELF, AND WE EITHER START OUT BY A 
PRESUMPTION THAT LIFE ITSELF IS SACRED OR WE DON'T.
WE EITHER RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE FUNDAMENTALLY WOVEN INTO 
THIS LARGER COMMUNITY OF LIFE OR WE DON'T, BUT ONCE WE 
RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY PART OF THIS LARGER COMMUNITY 
OF LIFE, THAT SUGGESTS, IF WE ASSUME THAT WE'RE INTELLIGENT 
CRITTERS -- AND I'M GOING TO ASSUME THAT WE'RE INTELLIGENT 
CRITTERS -- THAT WE REALIZE FUNDAMENTALLY THAT IF THE 
LARGER COMMUNITY OF LIFE SUFFERS THAT WE HAVE TO SUFFER AS 
WELL.
THE FACT IS THAT SMART GROWTH PAYS.
REMEMBER THE OFFSHORE OIL IS LESS THAN 1%.
WELL, COMPACT DEVELOPMENT, REGIONS THAT HAVE COMPACT 
DEVELOPMENT HAVE 25% LESS VEHICLE MILES TRAVELED.
JUST THINK IF WE'RE IMPORTING 25% LESS OIL, WHAT THE 
ECONOMIC IMPACT WOULD BE IN THE TAMPA BAY REGION.
WHEN YOU ACTUALLY -- WITHIN A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S WALKABLE, 
40% MORE EFFICIENT.
IT SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCES CO2.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS AMAZING.
WE LIVE IN A TIME WHERE IGNORANCE IS A BADGE OF SOME SORT.
EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES OF THE OECD -- 
OECD WAS FORMED AS A RESULT OF OPEC.
IT IS THE 26th WEALTHIEST NATIONS IN THE WORLD.
IT'S UNITED STATES, IT'S UNITED KINGDOM, IT'S FRANCE, IT'S 
GERMANY, JAPAN, AUSTRALIA, ET CETERA.
EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCES SAYS 
THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS A PROBLEM, EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, 
AND YOU CAN GO ON THE WEB SITES OF ANY OF THEM.
THERE'S ONLY ONE SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATION IN THE WORLD THAT 
SAYS THE CASE OF GLOBAL WARMING IS UNCERTAIN.
IT'S THE AMERICAN SOCIETY OF PETROLEUM GEOLOGISTS.
THAT IS THE ONLY ONE IN THE WORLD THAT SAYS IT'S NOT A 
PROBLEM.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE IPCC REPORT TWO YEARS AGO -- I SAY TWO 
YEARS AGO.
IT WAS ACTUALLY MARCH OF LAST YEAR.
THEY GIVE A CONE OF PROBABILITY.
WE ALL HAVE SEEN THOSE FOR HURRICANES.
WE KNOW WHAT A CONE OF PROBABILITY LOOKS LIKE.
YOU COULD WORK AT THE WORST-CASE ASSUMPTION IN A REPORT 
THAT IS NOT 18 MONTHS OLD, AND WE'RE 50 YEARS AHEAD OF THAT 
REPORT IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE ARCTIC, AND I 
JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS NOT FRONT-PAGE NEWS.
AND IT REALLY -- IT'S LIKE WE'RE PROUD OF OUR IGNORANCE AS 
AMERICANS, AND I JUST REALLY DON'T GET IT.
THE SCIENCE AROUND THIS IS VERY WELL ESTABLISHED, AND IT'S 
AMAZING THAT IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE POLITICAL TO TALK ABOUT 
GOOD SCIENCE.
NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE, WHAT DO WE KNOW 
ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE VIS-A-VIS SMART GROWTH?
WE KNOW THERE'S A REDUCTION OF CHILDHOOD OBESITY, AND 
CHILDHOOD OBESITY -- WE HAVE KIDS COMING IN WITH TYPE II 
DIABETES.
NOW, ANYONE THAT KNOWS ABOUT DIABETES REALIZES THAT WHAT -- 
THAT IT'S VERY SERIOUS AND IT REQUIRES A REGIMEN OF DRUGS 
FOR ONE'S ENTIRE LIFE.
WHY ARE KIDS COMING IN?
IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE MOMMY DRIVE THEM EVERYWHERE, 
TO GO TO THE CANDY STORE, TO GO TO THE -- TO GO TO VISIT 
THEIR FRIENDS, MOMMY DRIVES THEM EVERYWHERE.
WHY DO WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH TYPE II DIABETES?
THE ISOLATION OF THE ELDERLY.
LAKEWOOD RANCH IS OUT IN SARASOTA COUNTY.
HALF THE PEOPLE MOVING TO LAKEWOOD RANCH MOVE THERE TO 
RETIRE.
HOW MANY PEOPLE HERE THINK THAT THOSE PEOPLE WILL BECOME 
BETTER DRIVERS OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS, AND YET THEY'RE 
MOVING INTO A COMMUNITY WHERE THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN GET 
ANYWHERE IS TO ACTUALLY DRIVE.
I MEAN, WHAT KIND OF SENSE IS THIS?
WHAT KIND OF QUALITY OF LIFE IS THIS?
IF YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, THE DATA IS REALLY CLEAR, THAT 
CITIES THAT ARE MORE WALKABLE HAVE LOWER RATES OF HEART 
DISEASE, THEY HAVE LOWER RATES OF STROKES, THEY HAVE LOWER 
RATES OF DIABETES, AND YOU HAVE LESS ISOLATION OF THE 
ELDERLY.
WHY NOT JUST DESIGN SMARTER?
I DON'T KNOW IF GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER HAS SIGNED IT YET, 
BUT THE CALIFORNIA LEGISLATURE HAS JUST PASSED A LAW 
DIRECTING THAT EACH ONE OF THE MPOs THROUGHOUT THE STATE 
START DESIGNING AROUND SMART GROWTH PRINCIPLES, AND 
BASICALLY ANY COMMUNITY DESIGNED AROUND SMART GROWTH 
PRINCIPLE WILL BE FIRST IN LINE FOR STATE TRANSPORTATION 
FUNDING.
NOW, THIS REALLY IS REAL LEADERSHIP.
YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT CALIFORNIA, PEOPLE MADE A LOT OF FUN 
OF CALIFORNIA, AND WE REALIZE NOW A LOT OF THE ROLLING 
BLACKOUTS WERE BY ENRON, BUT THE FACT IS CALIFORNIA USES 
50% PER CAPITA, VIS-A-VIS THE OTHER STATES IN THE NATION.
SO WHAT KIND OF POSITION ARE THEY IN AS ENERGY PRICES GO 
UP?
ANYONE KNOW WHERE FLORIDA IS ON THAT PARADIGM?
FLORIDA USES 50% MORE PER CAPITA VIS-A-VIS ENERGY THAN THE 
UNITED STATES AS WHOLE.
AS A STATE, WE'VE BEEN TREMENDOUSLY IGNORANT IN REGARDS TO 
ENERGY POLICY.
STRATEGY NUMBER 3.
WE NEED TO FUNDAMENTALLY RETHINK TRANSPORTATION 
ASSUMPTIONS, AND A REAL STRATEGY IS TO GO SLOW.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL IN A HURRY.
WE'RE ALL IN A HURRY TO GET TO OUR JOBS, TO GET TO THE 
DENTIST, TO GET TO SCHOOL, TO GET TO WORK, GET EVERYWHERE, 
AND WHAT ARE WE SUCH IN A RUSH FOR?
IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT MOST TRANSPORTATION NEEDS, MOST 
TRANSPORTATION NEEDS ARE A MILE OR TWO, I NEED TO GET SOME 
MILK, I NEED TO GO TO THE NEWSPAPER.
THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY DRIVE A LONG DISTANCE TO GET 
SOMEPLACE THAT THEY GO OFTEN, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE 'NOTHER 
SET OF PEOPLE THAT IF YOU ACTUALLY DESIGNED A SLOW-SPEED 
NETWORK WHERE BEING ON AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER OR BEING ON A 
GOLF CART OR BEING ON A BICYCLE ACTUALLY FELT SAFE, A LOT 
OF PEOPLE WOULD TAKE THAT CHOICE.
NOW, GUESS WHAT, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE 50% OF THE PEOPLE.
IF YOU COULD MOVE 10% OR 15% OF THE PEOPLE -- AND THAT'S 
WELL WITHIN DEMONSTRATIVELY ACHIEVABLE, BOTH IN THE UNITED 
STATES AND EUROPEAN COUNTRIES WE CAN ACHIEVE THOSE KIND OF 
OBJECTIVES -- IF WE MOVE JUST 10% TO 15% OF THE PEOPLE TO A 
SLOW-SPEED NETWORK, THE FUEL SAVINGS AND THE ECONOMIC 
BENEFIT WOULD BE LARGE, WOULD BE TREMENDOUS.
YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO REALLY REASSERT MY APOLOGY.
I REALIZE WE LIVE FOR WHATEVER REASON IN A TREMENDOUSLY 
POLARIZED TIME.
I JUST KNOW THAT.
I ALSO KNOW THAT FUNDAMENTALLY WE ALL DO LOVE THE PLACE WE 
LIVE.
WE LOVE SOMETHING.
WE LOVE OUR FAMILY, WE MAY LOVE OUR COMMUNITY, WE MAY LOVE 
OUR NATION.
SOME OF US ACTUALLY LOVE THIS PLANET THAT WE ALL CALL HOME.
SO IF I'VE OFFENDED ANYONE, I DO APOLOGIZE, BUT THE TIME 
FOR JUST POLITICAL SLOGANS, THE TIME FOR NOT BEING WILLING 
TO BE HONEST WITH PEOPLE IN REGARDS TO REALITY AS BEST WE 
ALL UNDERSTAND IT -- I'M PRESENTING YOU ONE PERSPECTIVE, 
AND I'M VERY OPEN TO ANOTHER POINT OF VIEW, BUT I WANT IT 
TO BE BASED ON FACTS.
I DON'T WANT IT TO BE BASED ON SOMEONE'S WISHY-WASHY 
OPINION, OH, THERE'S PLENTY OF OIL OUT THERE, THERE'S 
PLENTY OF GAS OUT THERE.
I WANT THEM TO SHOW ME A GEOLOGY REPORT.
I WANT THEM TO SHOW ME SOMETHING FROM THE ENERGY 
ENVIRONMENTAL -- EIA OR IEA OR SOME OTHER WELL-RESPECTED 
AUTHORITY THAT SAYS THESE ARE THE KIND OF RESOURCES THAT WE 
COULD ACTUALLY EXPECT IF WE PURSUE THIS KIND OF INVESTMENT 
AND THIS KIND OF STRATEGY BECAUSE THE FACT IS WE'VE BEEN 
WAITING TOO LONG.
NOW, YOU-ALL ARE IN A VERY SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE POSITION TO 
MAKE VERY DIFFERENT KINDS OF CHOICES THAN FOR WHATEVER 
REASON WE'VE BEEN WILLING TO MAKE AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL.
AND I JUST HOPE YOU AFFORD NOT ONLY YOURSELVES AND THE 
COMMUNITY BUT THE LARGER COMMUNITY OF LIFE THE OPPORTUNITY 
TO RETHINK SOME OF THE ASSUMPTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE OVER THE 
LAST 30 YEARS, SO THANK YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU, MR. KAISER.
ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY COMMENTS?
YES, MS. SAUL-SENA.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  THAT WAS AN EXTREMELY POWERFUL 
PRESENTATION.
I DARESAY IT'S THE MOST POWERFUL I'VE SEEN IN MY 22 YEARS 
OF SERVING ON THE MPO.
I THINK IT WAS VERY STRAIGHT INFORMATION, AND WHAT I'D LIKE 
US TO DO AS AN MPO, WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE BUDGET 
WE PASSED TODAY, IS TO LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGE.
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF IT IS FOR STRAIGHT ROAD BUILDING, WHAT 
PERCENTAGE OF IT IS FOR TRANSIT, SIDEWALKS, TRANSPORTATION 
ORGANIZATIONS.
I THINK THAT'S THE KIND OF NUMBER WE NEED TO START THINKING 
ABOUT.
YOU KNOW, IT USED -- ON A FEDERAL LEVEL, I BELIEVE THAT 10% 
OF THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION BUDGET GOES FOR TRANSIT.
WE HAD A GREAT PRESENTATION AT COUNCIL A FEW WEEKS AGO BY 
AN ATTORNEY WHO'S WORKING ON THE, YOU KNOW, RAIL STARTS 
PROGRAM, AND A GROUP OF THEM IN D.C. ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW, 
MAYBE WE SHOULD SPEND 50% OF THE MONEY WE SPEND ON 
TRANSPORTATION ON TRANSIT.
THAT'S A SERIOUS SHIFT.
HE SAID THAT IN THE PAST DWIGHT EISENHOWER GOT US AN 
INTERSTATE SYSTEM WHICH WAS A BIG NATIONAL EFFORTS.
IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, AND NOW MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK AT 
RECALIBRATING OUR EXPENDITURES ON A FEDERAL LEVEL SO THAT 
50% GO FOR OTHER THAN INTERSTATE BUILDING, AND I THINK ON A 
LOCAL LEVEL WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT TOO, AND I WOULD LIKE 
THAT KIND OF INFORMATION AS WE LOOK AT OUR BUDGETS, MR. 
CHIARAMONTE.
I DON'T KNOW IF PERHAPS WE SHOULD BRING THIS UP IN A POLICY 
COMMITTEE MEETING, BUT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE VERY USEFUL 
INFORMATION.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE CHANGE HOW WE SPEND THE MONEY, 
ALTHOUGH PERHAPS IT WOULD RESULT IN THAT, BUT I THINK IN 
THE WAY OF THINKING ABOUT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US AS 
WE MAKE OUR DECISIONS.
SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT ON A POLICY COMMITTEE AGENDA IN THE 
FUTURE.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  GO AHEAD, RAY.
>>RAY CHIARAMONTE:  THE REASON I HAD MR. KAISER COME IS 
BECAUSE HE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, AND AS YOU 
KNOW, WE'RE UNDERTAKING THE UPDATE OF OUR LONG-RANGE 
TRANSPORTATION PLAN, SO I WANTED TO SHAKE YOU UP A LITTLE 
BIT AS WE START THAT PROCESS JUST TO KIND OF BEGIN TO THINK 
OF WHAT WE REALLY WANT TO DO WITH THIS UPDATE.
I THINK IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT UPDATE WE'VE HAD IN A LONG 
TIME, AND WE DON'T WANT TO DO THE SAME THING WE'VE BEEN 
DOING.
WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE NEED TO 
COORDINATE WITH LAND USE AND A LOT OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE 
BROUGHT OUT, BECAUSE I THINK THE ONE THING IS WE ARE AT A 
DISADVANTAGE WHEN WE COMPARE OURSELVES WITH SOME OTHER 
CITIES, AND WE NEED TO CATCH UP AND GET BACK IN THE MIX.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  ANY OTHER -- MR. SHARPE.
>>MARK SHARPE:  I WASN'T GOING TO COMMENT, BUT YOU 
PRESENTED A LOT OF INFORMATION, SOME OF WHICH I AGREE, A 
LOT THAT I FIND MYSELF -- I'D LIKE TO FURTHER THE 
DISCUSSION.
MY CONCERN IS THIS:  I THINK THAT -- BECAUSE I'M PUTTING 
TOGETHER A PRESENTATION AS WELL THAT I WAS GOING TO BE 
GOING OUT NEXT YEAR AND TALKING ABOUT WITH REGARD TO HOW WE 
NEED TO RETHINK HOW WE DO THINGS, AND I LIKE THAT, I LIKE 
STIRRING THE POT.
[LAUGHTER]
I LIKE -- WHEN I TOOK CLASSES, I ALWAYS ENJOYED THE 
PROFESSOR THAT WOULD THROW OUT A LOT OF VERY CONTROVERSIAL 
STATEMENTS, BUT MY CONCERN IS THIS: SOME OF THE AREAS THAT 
YOU'VE GONE INTO YOU TOUCHED ON LIGHTLY, AND YOU MIGHT FIND 
THAT INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING TO GET LOST IN THE DEBATE OVER 
GLOBAL WARMING, FOR INSTANCE, AND WHAT CAUSES IT AND IS MAN 
RESPONSIBLE, IS IT A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY BETWEEN MAN AND 
THE NATURAL EBB AND FLOW OF ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGE THAT'S 
TAKEN PLACE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF EARTH, 
AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THEN WANT TO DEBATE THAT RATHER 
THAN THE NEED TO RETHINK HOW WE MOVE BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE 
THAT WE NEED TO BE FOCUSING ON TRANSIT, BUT I'M A LITTLE 
CONCERNED THAT YOU MIGHT FIND -- BECAUSE I FOUND MYSELF ALL 
OF A SUDDEN WANTING TO -- AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THE EARTH 
HAS CHANGED AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A WARMING TREND 
IN AREAS, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S A COOLING TREND IN 
AREAS, AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE COULD 
SPEND THE ENTIRE TIME DEBATING GLOBAL WARMING AND LOSE 
TRACK THE ESSENCE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO GET ACROSS, 
WHICH IS --
>> I RESPECT THAT A LOT, AND FOR ME IT'S ALWAYS A TRICKY 
PIECE.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT A SCIENTIST, BUT THE NATIONAL 
ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF THE UNITED STATES, THE ROYAL 
ACADEMY, THE MAX-PLANCK INSTITUTE.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT REALLY THE BODY OF WELL-RESPECTED 
SCIENTIFIC ORGANIZATIONS, THERE'S NO CONTROVERSY, AND YOU 
CAN GO TO THEIR WEB SITES.
I MEAN, THE ROYAL ACADEMY TALKS ABOUT NATURAL VARIATION, 
THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES TALKS ABOUT NATURAL 
VARIATION THE MAX-PLANCK INSTITUTE, THE INSTITUTE IN FRANCE 
-- I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT IN FRANCE, BUT THE SCIENTISTS 
HAVE CONSIDERED THE POSSIBILITY THAT THERE'S NATIONAL 
VARIATION, AND SO I DON'T HAVE THE CREDENTIALS TO SPEAK.
WHAT I DO KNOW -- WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE DATA, THE 
MODELS WERE VERY, VERY CONSERVATIVE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT 
WE'RE ACTUALLY SEEING, SO ONE THING THAT'S INTERESTING IS 
THAT THE DATA IS MUCH WORSE THAN MODELED, THE ACTUAL DATA, 
NOT THE THEORY, THE ACTUAL DATA, SO YOU CAN SEE SATELLITES 
OF IT.
SCIENTISTS -- THERE'S A WHOLE SCIENCE CALLED CHIROSCIENCE, 
WHICH IS THE SCIENCE OF ICE.
JUST LOOK TO WHAT THE CHIROSCIENTISTS ARE SAYING.
THIS IS THE EARTH'S AIR CONDITIONER.
THIS IS THE EARTH'S AIR CONDITIONER.
>>MARK SHARPE:  AND I RECOGNIZE THAT, BUT LIKE I SAID, MY 
CONCERN IS THIS.
IT'S LIKE DEBATING WHETHER WE'RE SEEING A DECLINE IN POLAR 
BEAR POPULATION OR AN INCREASE IN POLAR BEAR POPULATION 
WHERE ACTUALLY -- AND PEOPLE ARE USING THE POLAR BEAR 
POPULATION AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THE CLIMATE IS CHANGING AND 
THAT THERE'S A DECREASE.
WELL, ACTUALLY, THERE'S AN INCREASE.
NOW, SO I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GET TANGLED IN THE DEBATE 
OVER --
>> I RESPECT THAT.
>>MARK SHARPE:  -- BECAUSE I THINK THAT WHILE THERE'S A LOT 
THAT WE KNOW, WE -- WE ARE AT RISK OF LOOKING SILLY IF WE 
TRY TO SUGGEST THAT WE UNDERSTAND THE -- HOW THE -- THE 
INTERPLAY OF THE ENVIRONMENT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT THE INCREASE OF CO2 IN OUR 
ATMOSPHERE TO 420 PARTS PER MILLION -- I BELIEVE THERE'S 
SOME IMPACT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IMPACT IS, AND I'M 
JUST SAYING TO GET TANGLED IN THAT KNOT --
>> I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I WILL JUST TELL YOU 
TWO THINGS.
THE CHIEF SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR TO THE PRESIDENT SAYS WE RISK 
THE PLANET BECOMING UNINHABITABLE.
STEPHEN HAWKING, WHO'S CONSIDERED THE EINSTEIN OF THE AGE, 
SAYS THAT WE RISK HAVING TEMPERATURES LIKE VENUS, SO I 
AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND YET WHEN WE LOOK AT THE 
RISKS AND WE LOOK AT THE CREDENTIALS OF THE PEOPLE MAKING 
THE STATEMENTS, THE CHIEF SCIENTIFIC ADVISOR TO THE 
PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND WHAT IS CONSIDERED THE 
LEADING PHYSICIST OF THE AGE MAKING THESE KIND OF 
REMARKABLE STATEMENTS, FOR US NOT TO HAVE IT PART OF OUR 
PLANNING JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
FOR IT TO BE SOMEHOW -- I DON'T HAVE THE CREDENTIALS TO 
TALK TO THIS, BUT I REALLY DO RESPECT THE CREDENTIALS OF 
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RINGING THE BELLS, AND I'M RESPECTFUL OF 
THE ACTUAL DATA.
THE ICE IS MELTING, REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE THINK ABOUT THE 
THEORY.
>>MARK SHARPE:  I WOULD JUST SUGGEST.
THANK YOU.
>> ANYWAY, BUT I AGREE WITH YOU.
I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  ANYONE ELSE?
>>JOSEPH CAETANO:  VERY POWERFUL PRESENTATION.
I THINK MR. SHARPE WANTED TO STIR THE POT A LITTLE BIT, BUT 
I REALLY ENJOYED IT, AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT.
HOW ABOUT ALASKA FOR OIL.
WHAT HAVE WE GOT UP THERE?
>> WELL, SIR, FIRST OF ALL, NO ONE KNOWS FOR SURE, AND THE 
REASON IS, UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY DRILL IN A SPECIFIC AREA, YOU 
DON'T KNOW.
WHAT WE DO IS IS WE LOOK FOR GEOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES, AND 
SO WHAT -- I ASSUME YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ANWAR.
>>JOSEPH CAETANO:  RIGHT.
>> YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PLAYS IN THE ARCTIC.
YOU HAVE ANWAR, WHICH IS CURRENTLY PROTECTED, AND THERE ARE 
A RANGE OF ESTIMATES, AND I DON'T -- I DON'T KNOW FULLY 
WHAT THE RANGE OF ESTIMATES ARE, BUT THE HIGHEST ESTIMATE 
THAT I'VE SEEN IS A MILLION AND A HALF TO TWO MILLION 
BARRELS A DAY, WHICH WE -- IS WHAT WE GOT OUT OF PRUDHOE 
BAY, AND IT'S PRODUCING 80% LESS THAN THAT.
THE INTERESTING THING IS -- YOU KNOW, WHAT MOST PEOPLE 
DON'T REALIZE IS YOU LOOK AT SAUDI ARABIA, AND SAUDI ARABIA 
IN THE LAST THREE YEARS HAS DELIVERED MORE OIL TO THE WORLD 
MARKET THAN EAST TEXAS DID OVER A PERIOD OF 50 YEARS, AND 
EAST TEXAS IS THE LARGEST OIL FIELD IN THE UNITED STATES, 
SO IF YOU JUST KIND OF JUST -- SO THERE IS OIL IN ALASKA.
IT'S OVER 30 DIFFERENT AREAS.
PERSONALLY I WOULDN'T DRILL IN IT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT 
ADDRESSES THE FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM, BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL 
CHOICE BASED ON MY DEEP RESPECT FOR THE -- THAT WE HAVE A 
LIVING PLANET, BUT THE QUANTITIES THAT THEY'RE TALKING 
ABOUT AT THE HIGHEST ARE NOWHERE NEAR TO MATCH 20 MILLION 
BARRELS A DAY, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY USE.
AND OUR RECORD ON PRUDHOE BAY IS KIND OF CLEAR.
WE BROUGHT IT ON-LINE IN 1979.
IT PRODUCED 1.8 MILLION BARRELS A DAY, AND IT'S NOW 
PRODUCING 80% LESS THAN THAT, SO IT'S NOT AN ANSWER TO -- 
WE NEED TO SHIFT, WE NEED TO SHIFT NOW.
THE SOONEST IT COULD BE BROUGHT ON-LINE IS 10 TO 12 YEARS, 
AND WE DON'T HAVE 10 TO 12 YEARS.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
THANK YOU.
YES, MR. WAINIO.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  THANK YOU.
FIRST COMMENT, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THESE ISSUES AS WELL FOR 
THE BETTER PART OF 30 YEARS, INITIALLY AS A TRANSPORTATION 
ECONOMIST WHO -- WHO FOCUSED ON OIL AND MORE RECENTLY 
BECAUSE I RUN A PORT THAT BRINGS IN 20 MILLION TONS A YEAR 
INTO FLORIDA, AND IT CONTINUES TO BE AN IMPORTANT PART OF 
MY LIFE.
I ATTEND A LOT OF ENERGY CONFERENCES, A LOTS OF OIL 
GATHERINGS.
I MOST RECENTLY WENT OVER TO SAN DIEGO AND ATTENDED THE 
API'S ANNUAL CONVENTION AND SPOKE AT THAT EVENT.
I WAS THE ONLY PORT PERSON, MARITIME PERSON INVITED TO 
SPEAK.
I SPOKE ABOUT VARIOUS TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND 
DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO IMPACT PETROLEUM TRADES AND 
CHEMICAL TRADES 10, 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD.
SO I DO SPEAK WITH SOME KNOWLEDGE OF THIS.
WHAT I'VE FOUND IN -- LET ME JUST SAY RIGHT AWAY, I AGREE 
WITH VIRTUALLY EVERYTHING YOU SAID.
WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO THE ENVIRONMENT AND MELTING ICE 
CAPS, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE OFF TRACK, QUITE 
FRANKLY, BUT YOUR BASIC PRESENTATION I AGREE WITH.
THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO 
POINT FINGERS AT A LOT OF PEOPLE AND SUGGEST THAT THEY 
DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS BECAUSE EVERY EVENT THAT I'VE 
ATTENDED RECENTLY -- AND THIS IS WITH PETROLEUM COMPANIES, 
WITH PETROLEUM TRANSPORTATION PEOPLE -- YOU NAME IT, 
EVERYBODY IN THE INDUSTRY BASICALLY WOULD AGREE WITH YOU 
THAT I'VE MET.
THE ONLY DISAGREEMENT GENERALLY -- AND IT BECOMES A 
FUNDAMENTAL ONE -- IS THE TIME FRAME.
I MEAN, PEOPLE ARGUE OVER ARE WE AT PEAK OIL OR ARE WE 
GOING TO HIT PEAK OIL SOON.
THEY ARGUE OVER HOW LONG 87% OF OUR TRANSPORTATION NEEDS 
ARE GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, COMING FROM OIL AND SO ON AND SO 
FORTH.
THEY ALL AGREE THAT IN THE SHORT- TO NEAR-TERM OIL IS THE 
ONLY THING WE HAVE BASICALLY, BUT THEY ALSO ALL AGREE THAT 
IT'S RUNNING OUT, IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHEN, AND IN THAT 
SENSE, IF WE ALL OR GENERALLY ALL OF US AGREE WITH THAT 
PREMISE AND WE KNOW IT TAKES 10, 20 YEARS OR MORE TO PUT IN 
PLACE THESE ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS, WE HAVE TO START DOING IT 
YESTERDAY.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE FOCUSED ON IT.
WE'RE FOCUSED ON IT HERE.
WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION.
AS FAR AS THE PRICE OIL GOES, EVERYBODY AGREES -- EVERYBODY 
I TALK TO AGREES WITH YOU.
WE'RE LOOKING AT OVER $200 A BARREL DOWN THE ROAD.
IT'S GOING TO GO UP.
IT CAN GO DOWN AS IT IS AT THE MOMENT, BUT OVER TIME IT 
WILL GO UP, AND IT CAN GO UP OVER $200 EXTREMELY FAST IN 
THIS UNCERTAIN WORLD WE LIVE IN.
YOU PROPERLY POINT OUT THE DEPENDENCE ON THE MIDDLE EAST.
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE RIGHT NOW A LOT OF UNCERTAINTIES 
OBVIOUSLY, AND WE HAVE OIL MILITANTS IN VENEZUELA, IRAN, 
AND RUSSIA THAT CONTROL SUPPLY.
THEY COULD PUMP MORE RIGHT NOW BUT THEY'RE NOT.
WE HAVE POLITICAL PROBLEMS AROUND THE GLOBE THAT IMPACT THE 
SUPPLY.
WE HAVE TERRORISM.
THEY COULD TAKE OUT A BIG FACILITY IN SAUDI ARABIA OR A 
MAJOR PIPELINE, AND YOU HAVE ISSUES LIKE IRAN.
YOU WANT TO SEE OIL GO OVER $200 A BARREL TOMORROW, JUST 
LET ISRAEL GO.
IF THEY BOMB IRAN, THE PRICE IS OVER $200 A BARREL VERY 
QUICKLY, SO THOSE UNCERTAINTIES GIVE ME GREAT PAUSE AND 
GREAT CONCERN.
LET ME ADD TO IT, CHINA'S STILL GOING BERSERK AND DOESN'T 
SHOW ANY SIGNS OF CHANGING THEIR INCREDIBLE ABUSE OF 
ENERGY, SO YOU ADD ALL THAT UP, AND WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY A 
SERIOUS, SERIOUS PROBLEM.
IN THE SHORT-TERM, YEAH, WE'VE GOT ENOUGH PETROLEUM, AND WE 
HAVE -- WE ARE DISCOVERING SOME ADDITIONAL PETROLEUM.
I DO THINK THERE'S MORE IN THE ARCTIC.
BRAZIL, AS YOU SAID, JUST DISCOVERED SOME.
THERE'S OTHER SOURCES, BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY THAT 
DISAGREES WITH THE BASIC PREMISE, WHICH IS WE'RE GOING TO 
FIND LESS, WE'RE GOING TO RUN OUT OF IT IF WE DON'T DO 
SOMETHING ABOUT IT, AND WE HAVE TO FIND ALTERNATIVES.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU.
>>JERRY KING:  MR. CHAIRMAN.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
>>JERRY KING:  IF I MAY, PLEASE.
AS I READ THE TOPIC, IT'S GLOBAL ENERGY AND REGIONAL 
TRANSPORTATION, AND I THINK IT'S BEEN SUGGESTED BY A COUPLE 
OF SPEAKERS PRIOR TO ME -- LET ME GET OFF TOPIC.
WE'VE RAISED A NUMBER OF EMOTIONAL ISSUES THAT HAVE NOT 
BEEN RESOLVED, AND I WOULD REMIND YOU LESS THAN 20 YEARS 
AGO SOME OF THE SAME SCIENTISTS WHO ARE TODAY PROCLAIMING 
WE'RE IN GLOBAL WARMING WERE ANNOUNCING WE'RE GOING INTO A 
NEW ICE AGE, SAME PEOPLE.
ALL RIGHT.
THEY HAD NEW FACTS, THEY CHANGED THEIR MIND.
I ACCEPT THAT.
PROVE IT.
THAT'S NOT NEITHER FOR US HERE TO DECIDE THAT, BUT I'D LIKE 
TO CAUTION YOU ABOUT ONE THING.
IT IS MY PERSONAL BELIEF THAT GOVERNMENT IS NOT IN THE 
BUSINESS OF DETERMINING LOSERS AND WINNERS.
GOVERNMENT IS HERE FOR THE WELL-BEING OF OUR PEOPLE AS A 
WHOLE, BUT WHEN WE START GETTING INTO INDUSTRIES, OIL, GAS, 
OR EVER WHAT IT MAY BE, BIOFUELS AND SO FORTH, WE'RE SAYING 
THIS WORKS, WE'LL PUT OUR MONEY THERE, IS THAT THE RIGHT 
THING FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO BE DOING WITH THE AMERICAN 
PEOPLE'S MONEY, DETERMINING WHICH INDUSTRY IS GOING TO WIN 
OR LOSE?
IF YOU TAKE AND LOOK AT BIOFUELS AND SO FORTH, THERE'S ALL 
KINDS OF DEBATES ABOUT THE EFFICIENCIES AND SO FORTH, AND 
EVERY DAY YOU CAN PICK UP IN YOUR REPORTS, AS YOU READ, I'M 
SURE, AND OTHERS DO AS WE'LL -- AND I'D LIKE TO CAUTION 
YOU, SIR, WE'RE NOT ALL DUMMIES.
YOU MAY COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT THERE'S A LOT OF 
DISSENT IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE 
DONE, AND I DON'T THINK IT IS FOR THIS BODY OR VERY FEW 
BODIES THAT ARE QUALIFIED POLITICALLY -- POLITICAL BODIES 
ARE IN THE POSITION TO DETERMINE THE ITEM, THE ENERGY, THE 
METHOD IN WHICH ALL PROBLEMS CAN BE RESOLVED, AND I 
ENCOURAGE YOU JUST TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S NOT YOUR BUSINESS, THAT'S NOT MY BUSINESS, THAT'S 
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE'S BUSINESS.
THANK YOU, SIR.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU, JERRY.
>> I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE IF I DID OFFEND IN ANYWAY.
>>JERRY KING:  [INAUDIBLE]
>> I WANT TO APOLOGIZE.
I WOULD SAY VIS-A-VIS THE STRATEGIES, ALL THE STRATEGIES 
ARE DEPENDENT ON RETHINKING PUBLIC INVESTMENTS.
>>JERRY KING:  THAT, SIR, IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.
>> RIGHT.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES, LINDA.
ANYONE ELSE?
ALL RIGHT.
WE THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR BRINGING ALL THESE FACTS UP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OKAY.
DO WE HAVE -- WE HAVE ONE PERSON IN THE AUDIENCE THAT CARES 
TO ADDRESS THE MPO, MR. CHIP THOMAS.
>> I LIVE AT 1219 EAST HENRY AVENUE.
CHIP THOMAS, AND MR. SHARPE, I WANT TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING 
YOU SAID REAL QUICKLY BECAUSE I'M SURE YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY 
ONE QUESTIONING THE LEGITIMACY OF GLOBAL WARMING AND HOW 
MUCH MAN IS CONTRIBUTING TO IT, BUT WHEN YOU GET IN YOUR 
CAR TO LEAVE TODAY, AFTER YOU START IT, GET OUT AND PUT 
YOUR HAND DOWN BY THE TAILPIPE, AND BE CAREFUL BECAUSE 
YOU'LL BURN YOUR HAND.
AND THEN AFTER YOU GET TO WHERE YOU'RE GOING NEXT, PUT YOUR 
HAND ON THE HOOD.
YOUR ENGINE IS RADIATING HEAT.
AND COME BACK A HALF HOUR LATER AFTER YOU HAVEN'T DRIVEN, 
AND IT'S STILL HOT.
IT'S GOING TO BE OVER 120 DEGREES.
DO IT AT DUSK IF YOU WANT SO THE SUN'S OUT OF THE PICTURE.
I'VE DONE IT.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  SIR, WOULD YOU GET TO THE POINT THAT YOU 
WROTE ON THE -- 
>> NO, I JUST WANT TO --
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  -- BECAUSE YOU'VE ONLY GOT THREE MINUTES.
>> I KNOW.
I KNOW.
SO CONSIDER THAT THERE'S 800 MILLION VEHICLES IN OPERATION 
WORLDWIDE AND MULTIPLY THAT TIMES THE HEAT YOU FEEL OUT OF 
YOUR EXHAUST AND OFF OF YOUR HOOD, IF THOSE CARS ARE IN 
OPERATION 15 MINUTES PER DAY, THAT'S 200 MILLION HOURS 
EVERY DAY OF THAT PREHEATED GREENHOUSE GASES AND THE HEAT 
RADIATING OFF YOUR HOOD.
ONE CONCLUSION I HOPE YOU DRAW FROM THAT LAST PRESENTATION 
IS WE HAVE GOT TO GET OFF THE SOV, SINGLE OCCUPANCY 
VEHICLE, AND YOUR MAIN OBJECTIVE NEEDS TO CHANGE FROM 
REDUCING CONGESTION AND MAXIMIZING MOBILITY TO MINIMIZING 
THE CARS ON THE ROAD AND REDUCING THE MILES THAT PEOPLE 
DRIVE.
WE'VE GOT TO DO MORE TO ENCOURAGE, TO MOTIVATE, TO REWARD 
MASS TRANSIT USE, AND SO WHAT I'M GOING TO SUGGEST IS FREE 
BUS SERVICE, AND I KNOW COSTS ARE INCREASING FOR HARTLINE 
AND BUDGETS ARE BEING REDUCED AND RIDERSHIP IS ON THE RISE 
ANYWAY, SO WHY WOULD WE WANT TO DO THAT?
WELL, IT'S ALREADY SUBSIDIZED TO THE TUNE OF 80%.
HARTLINE WILL TELL YOU THAT BUS FARES CONTRIBUTE ONLY 20%.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $10 MILLION.
WHAT'S IT COST TO WIDEN ONE MILE OF A ROAD LIKE DALE MABRY?
ABOUT $10 MILLION.
NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH FREE BUS SERVICE IS GOING TO 
REDUCE CONGESTION AROUND HILLSBOROUGH COUNTY, BUT ONE MILE 
WIDENING OF DALE MABRY, IS DOESN'T DO SQUAT, AND IF YOU DO 
HAVE FREE BUS SERVICE, THE COST IS GOING TO BE HIGHER 
BECAUSE HOPEFULLY YOU'RE GOING TO -- THE OBJECTIVE IS TO 
INCREASE RIDERSHIP SUBSTANTIALLY, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT $20 
MILLION IT WOULD COST TO OFFER FREE BUS SERVICE.
IF THE COUNTY COMMISSION ADDED A FIVE-CENT TAX PER GALLON 
OF GAS, THAT WOULD RAISE ABOUT $30 MILLION A YEAR.
THAT WOULD MORE THAN COVER FREE BUS SERVICE.
YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO RIDE THE BUS THE WAY IT IS 
NOW.
THERE'S -- THE PEOPLE -- THE BUS SERVICE IS THE WORST OF 
BOTH WORLDS.
IT'S HEAVILY SUBSIDIZED, AND IT SERVES POOR PEOPLE FOR THE 
MOST PART WHO DON'T HAVE A CHOICE.
PEOPLE ARE NOT LEAVING THEIR CARS AT HOME TO RIDE THE BUS, 
THEY'RE RIDING THE BUS BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO OTHER MEANS OF 
GETTING AROUND.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  SIR, YOUR TIME'S UP.
>> OKAY.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  WE APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ANYONE ELSE?
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
YES, MS. SAUL-SENA.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  WHEN WE HAD OUR DIRECTOR'S REPORT 
TODAY, MR. CHIARAMONTE GAVE US AN ARTICLE ABOUT TREES 
MAKING STREETS SAFER NOT DEADLIER, AND I'M GOING TO BRING 
THIS UP AT OUR LIVABLE ROADWAYS COMMITTEE WITH AN EYE 
TOWARD CHANGING LOCAL POLICY ABOUT STREET TREES.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
THANK YOU.
ANY OLD BUSINESS?
YES, MR. WAINIO.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  YES, SIR.
THANK YOU.
AT THE LAST MPO MEETING WE HAD A SPEAKER FROM CAMBRIDGE 
THAT DID A STUDY FOR US, AND WE GOT -- WELL, ACTUALLY, IT 
WAS BEFORE HE SPOKE, I GUESS, THAT I BROUGHT UP THE RAIL 
ADVISORY COMMITTEE ISSUE, AND THIS MPO BOARD DID SEND -- 
YOU SIGNED AND SENT A LETTER OFF TO SEE IF THEY WOULD 
CONSIDER PUTTING ME ON THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE EVER EVEN RESPONDED TO THAT --
DON -- WHICH IS -- I MEAN, WE SHOULD GET A YES OR NO, AT 
LEAST A COURTESY REPLY, AND I DON'T THINK THAT DEBBIE HUNT 
AND THE OTHERS HAVE EVEN TAKEN THE TIME TO REPLY TO OUR 
LETTER.
THAT SAID, I ALSO HAD DIRECTION FROM THE MPO THAT IN THE 
MEANTIME, WHETHER I WAS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE OR NOT, 
THAT WE SHOULD HAVE A PRESENCE THERE, SO RAM KANCHARLA, MY 
HEAD OF PLANNING, DID ATTEND THE MEETING JUST LAST WEEK UP 
IN TALLAHASSEE ON AUGUST 26th AND 27th, GAVE US -- CAME 
BACK WITH A BIG PILE OF STUFF.
THEIR NEXT MEETING IS SEPTEMBER 30th TO OCTOBER 1st, ALSO, 
I BELIEVE, IN TALLAHASSEE, AND THAT ONE WILL APPARENTLY 
FOCUS PRIMARILY ON FREIGHT ISSUES MORE THAN TRANSIT OR AT 
LEAST A LITTLE MORE ON FREIGHT THAN TRANSIT, SO WE WILL BE 
THERE AGAIN.
RAM FOR SURE, AND I PROBABLY -- IF I CAN MAKE IT, SINCE 
IT'S ESPECIALLY ADDRESSING FREIGHT, I'LL PROBABLY GO TO IT 
AS WELL, ALTHOUGH ALL WE CAN REALLY DO IS SIT IN THE 
AUDIENCE AND WATCH AND LISTEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT PUT US 
ON -- ON THAT COMMITTEE, AND I WOULD NOTE, UNFORTUNATELY -- 
AND THIS IS POINTING FINGERS AT MY BRETHREN IN THE PORT 
INDUSTRY, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'LL PROBABLY POINT OUT TO 
US -- THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WILL POINT OUT TO US THAT 
THERE'S THREE PORT MEMBERS THAT ARE ALREADY ON THAT 
COMMITTEE.
WELL, NONE OF THEM SHOWED UP.
THE ONLY -- I WAS THE ONLY ONE -- WELL, ROM WAS THE ONLY 
ONE THERE, I BELIEVE.
THE PORT DIRECTORS -- AND I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THAT THE DAY 
AFTER TOMORROW UP IN TALLAHASSEE BECAUSE I'M MEETING WITH 
THESE PORT DIRECTORS, SO I'M GOING TO GET ON THEM AND SAY 
OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE ON THIS COMMITTEE, YOU WANTED TO SERVE ON 
IT, I DIDN'T GET PUT ON IT, AND YOU DON'T EVEN SHOW UP, 
BUT -- BUT AGAIN, WE ARE ENGAGED WITH IT, WE ARE ATTENDING 
AS THE MPO ASKED.
IF ANYTHING OF CONSEQUENCE COMES UP, CERTAINLY I'LL REPORT 
BACK TO YOU ON IT.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, I WISH WE COULD AT LEAST ENCOURAGE 
MRS. HUNT TO RESPOND TO OUR LETTER AND --
>>DON SKELTON:  A COUPLE THINGS, IF I CAN.
FIRST, I'LL CHECK ON A RESPONSE AND MAKE SURE THAT ONE GETS 
OUT.
SECOND, THE MEETING -- THE NEXT MEETING IS IN FORT 
LAUDERDALE, NOT IN TALLAHASSEE.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  OH, OKAY.
>>DON SKELTON:  AND THIRD --
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  THESE DATES ARE RIGHT, THOUGH?
>>DON SKELTON:  SEPTEMBER 3rd AND OCTOBER 1st, YES.
>>RICHARD WAINIO:  OKAY.
IN FORT LAUDERDALE.
>>DON SKELTON:  AND AGAIN, AS MR. WAINIO HAD POINTED OUT, 
IN FORMING THIS COMMITTEE, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO GET A WELL-
ROUNDED GROUP, THOSE THAT ARE IN THE RAIL BUSINESS, THOSE 
THAT ARE IN THE PORT BUSINESS, MOVING FREIGHT, AS WELL, SO 
THE PORT'S COUNCIL IDENTIFIED, I BELIEVE, THREE MEMBERS TO 
BE ON THERE, AND MR. ANDERTON WAS AT THE MEETING IN 
TALLAHASSEE.
I BELIEVE HE'S PORT EVERGLADES, SO WE WILL GET A RESPONSE 
BACK, AND THE PORTS ARE ENGAGED AND FREIGHT AND PASSENGER 
RAIL ARE A BIG COMPONENT OF WHAT THIS ADVISORY COMMIT WE IS 
LOOKING AT.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  OKAY.
BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THAT.
>>LINDA SAUL-SENA:  THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT, MR. WAINIO.
>>JOE AFFRONTI:  YES.
THANK YOU.
OKAY.
ANY -- ANY NEW BUSINESS?
IF NOT, WE THANK YOU.
WE ADJOURN.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.



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